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Chrome 77 Breaking Drag and Drop Events

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Re: Chrome 77 Breaking Drag and Drop Events

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Post by hvis »

lultimouomo wrote: post #89
roca wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Compared to other software of similar complexity I think standing up a Firefox build is actually pretty reasonable. The bootstrap instructions are not complicated ( https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Developer_g... ) and the build takes about an hour on my laptop. Chrome is certainly a lot harder and takes significantly longer (if you lack access to Google's internal build farm). Likewise the Linux kern…

I have found contributing to the linux kernel a significantly more pleasant experience than contributing to Firefox. I have no trouble believing that contributing to Chrome is even harder, but then again I didn't hear someone from Google saying "If you think a bug is easy to fix, pleasez consider providing a patch."

> then again I didn't hear someone from Google saying ...

Is that a good thing?

Re: Chrome 77 Breaking Drag and Drop Events

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Post by danmg »

nly wrote: post #66
egeozcan wrote: post #9

I switched to Firefox after they stopped caring about usability issues (like right clicking without releasing left mouse button deselects the text since v fifty-something on windows), the difficulties they created for ad blockers, the account integration fiasco, and so on. I know this particular bug seems to be an edge case that may happen with every browser, but when you are using Chrome, you should know that if an…

Given that Chrome ended Opera, and is effectively ending IE/Edge, people really need to take pause and appreciate and be thankful that Firefox is still around. I think the "shady shit" Mozilla has pulled lately are death rattles. I certainly don't expect it to be around in another 5-10 years. Firefox's tiny market share is all that stands between all the W3C and WHATG publications going from "standards" to "what Chro…

Google will keep the Mozilla foundation alive, because it protects them from antitrust prosecution.

Re: Chrome 77 Breaking Drag and Drop Events

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Post by [deleted] »

js8 wrote: post #4

It seems like drag-and-drop is out of fashion. I think big reason is that it really cannot be done well on touch-screen devices and touchpads. I don't really complain, because I have always found d&d rather impractical (and it's also terrible for accessibility); unfortunately, there are some applications that still rely on it a lot. (As an aside, what bothers me more that the right-click menu goes out of fashion. Tha…

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Re: Chrome 77 Breaking Drag and Drop Events

#124

Post by ninju »

sgentle wrote: post #21

If I'm reading the issue thread correctly, it seems that a big revision of the hit testing code was being field trialled (ie enabled for 1% of stable users) and a fix to that code in Chrome 77 caused a bug for the other 99%. Unfortunately, this new bug was only discovered partway through version 77's rollout. So now there's a bit of a pinch: revert the fix (and break it for the 1%), or leave it (break it for the 99%)…

>...My main criticism would be that there must be a more effective way to estimate impact than waiting for people to complain in the bug tracker.

This is very true. There are 100s if not thousands of people for every support person that knows about new Chrome updates and Bug Tracker for opening issues.

Users are told to trust Chrome updates and assume that updates won't affect existing functionality and so the idea of opening a browser support ticket does immediately come to mind.

Re: Chrome 77 Breaking Drag and Drop Events

#125

Post by showdead »

dchest wrote: post #102
safeplanet-fesa wrote: post #101

Jokes on them, I still use Chromium 67 from chromium.woolyss.com. It's the last version before WebRTC became unremovable. Now it's impossible to download this version, only the new ones. Woolyss should have kept it, like they keep Chromium 49, the last version before Chromium stopped running on XP and Vista. And I understand the risks of running an obsolete version, but it's a trade-off. For some time I was thinking…

Older versions are full of known vulnerabilities.

Not disputing this, but the UX of navigating to a bank's website using Chrome on XP and getting redirected to a "Download Chrome" link when there isn't a newer version for your OS isn't a great experience either.

Re: Chrome 77 Breaking Drag and Drop Events

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Post by likeclockwork »

pmontra wrote: post #26
js8 wrote: post #4

It seems like drag-and-drop is out of fashion. I think big reason is that it really cannot be done well on touch-screen devices and touchpads. I don't really complain, because I have always found d&d rather impractical (and it's also terrible for accessibility); unfortunately, there are some applications that still rely on it a lot. (As an aside, what bothers me more that the right-click menu goes out of fashion. Tha…

A customer of mine uses Kanbanize to organize software development. Think Trello on steroids. I imagine that instead of dragging cards to their destination we could open a menu and select the destination column. Maybe that would be even faster sometimes. However reordering cards inside a column without drag and drop would be a pain: Move Up, Move Down buttons, no thanks.

Click to lift, click to drop.

Better than the virtual manual labor of exerting constant force to keep something held.

Re: Chrome 77 Breaking Drag and Drop Events

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Post by forgottenpass »

nly wrote: post #66
egeozcan wrote: post #9

I switched to Firefox after they stopped caring about usability issues (like right clicking without releasing left mouse button deselects the text since v fifty-something on windows), the difficulties they created for ad blockers, the account integration fiasco, and so on. I know this particular bug seems to be an edge case that may happen with every browser, but when you are using Chrome, you should know that if an…

Given that Chrome ended Opera, and is effectively ending IE/Edge, people really need to take pause and appreciate and be thankful that Firefox is still around. I think the "shady shit" Mozilla has pulled lately are death rattles. I certainly don't expect it to be around in another 5-10 years. Firefox's tiny market share is all that stands between all the W3C and WHATG publications going from "standards" to "what Chro…

>One day they're going to do an IE6, and shift their focus away from the project, and the whole web will suffer.

This would still be preferable to if they became the only browser and all web developers were subject to breakneck paced new features and discontinued compatibility as Google makes their characteristic impulsive lurches with zero long term vision.

Re: Chrome 77 Breaking Drag and Drop Events

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Post by rndgermandude »

rndgermandude wrote: post #91
lultimouomo wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it hard to believe you don't know that casually contributing to Firefox is ridiculously hard. The build system is borderline insane, building takes hours, and most importantly people who can approve your changes clearly have more important things to do and regularly fail to answer. I have tried contributing a couple of times. Thank you, no more.

I casually contribute to Firefox and it's not ridiculously hard. It is a somewhat steep learning curve if you contribute for the first time, primarily getting acquainted to the build system, the area of the code you're fixing, and then finding the right people to nag about reviews, but it is far from ridiculously hard. It used to be ridiculously hard, back in the days of hq merge queues or even cvs, I give you that,…

PS: Here is a guide to the process of submitting a patch:

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Developer_g...

./mach bootstrap will usually help you set up your environment mostly automated after some confirmations, and will ask you if you want to do full builds or artifact builds, too

A general build guide is available too: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Developer_g...

Re: Chrome 77 Breaking Drag and Drop Events

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Post by yoasif_ »

askvictor wrote: post #75
egeozcan wrote: post #9

I switched to Firefox after they stopped caring about usability issues (like right clicking without releasing left mouse button deselects the text since v fifty-something on windows), the difficulties they created for ad blockers, the account integration fiasco, and so on. I know this particular bug seems to be an edge case that may happen with every browser, but when you are using Chrome, you should know that if an…

I've recently started using FF for some uses, and find it quite laggy compared to Chrome (on Windows, even with dozens of extensions, and heaps of open tabs in Chrome, and one or two tabs on FF). I would like to use it, but performance wise doesn't seem to do for me, unfortunately.

It is worth reporting a performance problem if you can take a few minutes to record a profile and file a bug: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Performance...

Re: Chrome 77 Breaking Drag and Drop Events

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Post by forgottenpass »

stefan_ wrote: post #98

Love the random comments in the bug tracker. "We have an enterprise-level software affected, what is the ETA?" Lots of folks just figuring out web apps don't run in a metaspherical happy place or "the cloud", no, they run on fucking Chrome and you are not paying for it.

That's the trend these days.

Tomorrow everyone on Hacker News and Twitter will go back to chiding IT departments that want the ability to test software changes before they get deployed, or have the ability to roll back.

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