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The NBA Feels a Backlash in China After a Tweet Supporting Hong Kong

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Re: The NBA Feels a Backlash in China After a Tweet Supporting Hong Kong

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Post by chadcmulligan »

chadcmulligan wrote: post #66
alisonatwork wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is only superficially true. In China the CPC exercises strict control over what topics are allowed to trend on social media, so what appears to be "mob justice" is actually a carefully curated event. The state media chose to report on this rather than ignore it. The Cyberspace Administration chose to allow this outrage to gain momentum while topics that do not toe the party line are squashed. You cannot really c…

likewise any criticism of Chinese policy that occurs on the internet is no doubt being monitored and influenced by an army of Chinese intelligence operatives

It seems they're downvoting my criticisms :-D

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Post by env123 »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #116
cannadhopefu wrote: post #62

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> government is more involved with everything in China There lies in the difference. In Spain, it would be the people demanding it. In China, its the authoritative government that is not only demanding but also threatening. Its not quite apples to apples.

You obviously do not know China and this issue. Hongkong's takeover by the British has been a humiliation for China and the Chinese people, which has been provoking strong feelings on their part since well before the Communist Party was even founded. That China must get Hongkong back is a highly consensual opinion among the Chinese. This was a policy of the Communist Party because that really is something that every…

The 2047 Hong Kong fiasco, the Irish backstop, the US left-right divide, blame it all on the British Empire

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Post by boomboomsubban »

ekianjo wrote: post #120
age_of_stone wrote: post #108

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how many Chinese people have you ever talked to before you say "most of them are brainwashed"? If more than 1 billion people are brainwashed in the era of Internet, either 1. it is a huge success of Chinese government or 2. it's not the truth. As we all know, VPN is very popular in China. It's just an easy job to access information out of Great Fire Wall. thinking critically, could you be "brainwashed" by some degree…

vPN is very popular in China? In what range? Thousands of users? Hundreds of thousands? Dozens of millions? Hundreds of millions? The scale matters completely for the discussion. And brainwashing does not start with the internet. education is a major source of brainwashing and do not discount mass media either which still shapes culture even in hyper connected countries like the US. Brainwashing works, its not even a…

>education is a major source of brainwashing and do not discount mass media either which still shapes culture even in hyper connected countries like the US

How much of your belief that the Chinese are brainwashed people who's opinions should be ignored came from school and media?

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Post by PavlovsCat »

age_of_stone wrote: post #115
aembleton wrote: post #112

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How did you find out about the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests? Was it at school? From family or friends? Online? Do you use a VPN? I'm curious because I don't know how that information would spread in China or if it is talked about much.

I watched the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests on China official TV daily when it was broadcast until the end of May 1989. I was a teenager at that time. we talked about it at school. we talked about at home. we talked about it heavily at college. we just didn't talk much about it publicly. nobody got arrested by simply talking about it, which may not be like what you might be thinking. when I was young, there was no G…

> we just didn't talk much about it publicly

"just"? Not being able to say something in public is like not being able to say it at all. What you just talk about with your friends or family is as relevant to the public sphere as your private thoughts are.

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Post by Jommi »

alisonatwork wrote: post #57
khc wrote: post #10

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This is more representing the power of social media mob justice than what "China" wants. It's really not that different from how the left or the right boycott a business after any other tweet

This is only superficially true. In China the CPC exercises strict control over what topics are allowed to trend on social media, so what appears to be "mob justice" is actually a carefully curated event. The state media chose to report on this rather than ignore it. The Cyberspace Administration chose to allow this outrage to gain momentum while topics that do not toe the party line are squashed. You cannot really c…

This is not completely true, depending on what you mean by "trending on social media". I have witness multiple anti-government trending topics on social media in China as well.

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Post by Jommi »

age_of_stone wrote: post #118
Jommi wrote: post #117

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The moment you want you access the internet as a chinese kid, you can google tianmen and get information about it. Its not of course always the correct information that is on the first results, but its not like its completely wiped.

you are right. but there is bigger question of what information is "correct". no offense, it'd be naive to treat the first result of google result as being correct. we all know there is such a thing called SEO.

Yes. That's what I said:

>Its not of course always the correct information that is on the first results

That seems like it would pertain to any google search query tho. I don't think I ever just click a single link when I'm trying to find information about a subject.

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Post by throw0101a »

nradov wrote: post #24
o10449366 wrote: post #12

US companies are increasingly "owned" by the Chinese government through Chinese investment. None of them are willing to risk the financial backlash that would occur if they spoke out against the Chinese government - so they are willing to censor their own platforms and sacrifice their own stakeholders and users to please them.

This is an increasing factor in the US motion picture industry. Major studios are generally unwilling to produce movies that show China or the Chinese Communist Part in a negative light due to the need for financing and distribution.

> This is an increasing factor in the US motion picture industry.

In the first Top Gun movie Maverick's (Tom Cruise's) jacket had the flags of Japan and Taiwan. Images from the upcoming sequel show that they're gone:

* https://www.indiewire.com/2019/07/tom-cruises-jacket-taiwane...

* https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/19/tom-cruises-top-gun-jacket-s...

I wonder if they'll be any modifying done for the final release: one set of flags for China print, another set of flags for not-China.

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Post by saboot »

throwaway1777 wrote: post #28
saboot wrote: post #7

I am surprisingly conflicted. My strongest urge is to plainly say, screw them. China is a dictatorship, they are actively stomping out freedoms which I very much believe everyone living person had a right to. If they can't stand hearing the truth, fine, no NBA in China. In the back of my mind, I also recognize that isolation and division breeds more isolation and division. No NBA in China means less Western and Easte…

“China doesn’t have that kind of influence in our country”. Yet here we are discussing them.

What does China produce that we have fans for? I don't see many cultural exports from them in America.

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Post by zaroth »

GooglyMoogly wrote: post #109
chronic71819 wrote: post #63

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> See if it's possible to earn a profit without selling out. Unfortunately it's not possible. Nearly everyone on HN would rather invest in a total stock market index fund, simply because it gives better returns. How much different? Approximately 1% more. So there you have it. People will sell out for 1% of their portfolio. Myself included.

Google said no to China's censorship and is doing pretty well.

Is this actually still true? I know initially they exited China because they wouldn't play by the rules, but they definitely re-entered China, and as far as I know, they did it by agreeing to censoring their search results in China.

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Post by dirtyid »

GooglyMoogly wrote: post #119
dirtyid wrote: post #110

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In 2018, Google made 3 billion in Chinese ad sales. Facebook made 5 billion.

My thought is that it's ok to deal with China as long as they play by our rules not their rules (such as censorship). If they see that they can still operate successfully under a system with freedom of speech, maybe they won't be so against it. But yes, you do have to be careful not to let them become a large enough percentage of revenue that the company would be in danger if China started threatening to pull out.

I agree that if you don't want to beholden to foreign rules, then don't become dependent on foreign markets. But what is this "our rules" business? Google lobbying rules that's currently clashing with the EU. Or US foreign policy rules?
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