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Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

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Post by sgummaluri »

onetime0001 wrote: post #32

I don’t understand why gender/pronouns is even being discussed. Someone’s personal feelings don’t really have any place in a question/answers site. It’s fine to respect a persons feelings and such when talking to a person but when answering a question or asking the question. The gender/pronoun is irrelevant.

This is not the first time nor this is specific to SO. Here[0] is another occurrence of something similar to those interested.

[0]https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015#issuecomment-29538...

Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

#122

Post by [deleted] »

anon12345690 wrote: post #71
Pfhreak wrote: post #59

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Pronouns affect most people. Most people use them. If you are talking about trans people, it's estimated to be about 1-3% of people. That's roughly one in thirty to one in a hundred people. That puts it at about the roughly same numbers as the number of redheads. It's uncommon, sure, but it's not totally minuscule. Trans folks are also one of the most likely (if not the most likely) minorities to suffer physical viol…

no its not basic respect, stop making it so dramatic theyre not talking about any specific person are they? no, they want to change all the examples to be gender neutral. why? when people hear Bob they think He. they dont ask "well what if bob is trans?"

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Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

#124

Post by alanbernstein »

1shooner wrote: post #102
anon12345690 wrote: post #81

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apparently anything on the site like a code example that talks about people like Bob and Alice cant use He and She - because it might offend the 0.01% of people who think that everyone needs to state their pronouns. apparently even saying They isnt enough. its what happens when you give in to the tiny minority that will always complain about something

When would a mod use pronouns anyway? It seems like an edge case of an edge case, in terms of gross count of incidents.

You might be underestimating how commonly Alice and Bob are used in algorithm explains.

Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

#125

Post by na85 »

brian-armstrong wrote: post #51
dangus wrote: post #26

I'm totally out of the loop about what this drama is about, and I'll stay that way. These are unpaid community moderators. They are essentially volunteers doing this work because they want to. So let's ponder to ourselves and relate this to our own lives, what kind of relationship do we have with the organizations and people we do volunteer work with? If you're at a point where you're so dissatisfied that you're writ…

This is a shockingly unempathetic way to view the situation. These people have poured lots of their time into making SO work, and they deserve to be heard. There's no way anybody could build this service without volunteers. These things don't just spring up from the ground on their own, and as someone who uses the SE properties for personal and professional reasons, I hope these moderators can find some sort of satis…

>There's no way anybody could build this service without volunteers.

Agree. Maybe it should cease exploiting the good will of its users and either pay them, or wither away.

Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

#126

Post by dwaltrip »

ALittleLight wrote: post #70
sytelus wrote: post #34

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I don't understand this cry against moderators. These people are volunteerily giving their time to keep quality bar high without any payment. If these people weren't there then SO will be full of duplicates, off-topic and opinion based Q&A just like Quora. A general tendency I have seen is just to ask (often poorly stated) questions without doing simple search to see if it is already answered. Someone needs to respec…

I don't understand why people would volunteer to do work for a for profit entity. Especially one that will, apparently, fire you on a whim.

Have you ever answered a question on stackoverflow? Or upvoted something? That's the same thing, just to a lesser degree.

Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

#127

Post by fenwick67 »

anon12345690 wrote: post #81
fenwick67 wrote: post #7

I would love a nice couple paragraphs that said "here's what happened", otherwise taking any side in this is just taking shots in the dark, I'm basically reading "certain events happened with a certain individual and that's not okay"

apparently anything on the site like a code example that talks about people like Bob and Alice cant use He and She - because it might offend the 0.01% of people who think that everyone needs to state their pronouns. apparently even saying They isnt enough. its what happens when you give in to the tiny minority that will always complain about something

This is pretty inaccurate and inflammatory.

Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

#129

Post by Alex3917 »

olingern wrote: post #73
brian-armstrong wrote: post #51

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This is a shockingly unempathetic way to view the situation. These people have poured lots of their time into making SO work, and they deserve to be heard. There's no way anybody could build this service without volunteers. These things don't just spring up from the ground on their own, and as someone who uses the SE properties for personal and professional reasons, I hope these moderators can find some sort of satis…

I agree. Without these people the site could fall into a mess of bad answers or a self promotion answer driven platform like Quora.

The self-promotion is the main thing that makes Quora useful though. If you want to know what are all the startups that have attempted solving problem X, it's usually impossible to get a complete answer without using Quora. Just searching Google / Crunchbase / HN / ProductHunt etc. will miss the last third of startups, that you can only find mentioned in the relevant Quora thread.

Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

#130

Post by fenwick67 »

Buge wrote: post #104
fenwick67 wrote: post #53

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That is helpful, but still far from a couple paragraphs. Nobody owes me anything on this, but I am not taking the energy to parse through this and then SO's responses and then reread TFA to get an actual factual sequence of events here, which ultimately ended in someone losing their moderation status on a Q&A website. This probably comes off as really callous but honestly, Watergate or the Bay of Pigs or (more close…

On a mod and employee chat group, they were discussing a new future code of conduct. One element said "You must use people's preferred pronouns if given". A mod (volunteer) (Monica) said "Is it OK if I never use any 3rd person singular pronouns?" She got no answer for a while and was then fired as a mod on Friday at 6pm less than 1 hour before before Shabbat and Rosh Hashana (she is Jewish and a mod of the Jewish Sta…

Thank you, if this is accurate it's perfect.
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