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Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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Post by KoftaBob »

kingkawn wrote: post #97
KaoruAoiShiho wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes exactly, China is mostly imitative and their culture and systems makes it so that they cannot innovate on any scale. Their current accomplishments are built on the basis of theft and when once we fix our security they will fall even further behind than they already are.

I know the Chinese government has made a concerted effort to steal IP. Still I also find the descriptions of Chinese culture, and Asian culture in general, that demean it as imitative and incapable of creative thought not as rational descriptions of the world, but instead bizarre holdovers of old racist ideologies repackaged in more palatable contemporary business-lingo.

What other Asian countries in the present day are frequently accused of stealing IP? I don't get how you're arriving at it being a broadly Asian thing, when it's quite specifically a Chinese phenomenon. Conflating China to mean "all Asians" is pretty racist in and of itself.

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Post by gamescorner »

Britain benefitted from Industrial revolution because they looted natrual resources from their colonies, it was also unethical.

Then those Anglos went to make America.

Lot of Europe benefited from British industrialization, as technology and skill just flowed to the rest of the continent.

To steal from Europe or America is unethical yes but to me it's justice served

India should do the same.

Why not steal technology? If India steals technology for better power plants and ends up lowering their carbon emission, what's wrong with that?

If china steals adhesive technology from Germany (Henkle?) and ends up lowering their polluting their river, what's wrong with that?

Stealing better technology to further development and reduce load on planet should be fundamental right.

If people in India or China, simply can't afford better, greener, safer tech. Why shouldn't they steal IP and manufacture locally, which ends up improving quality of life of millions.

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Post by mdorazio »

yomly wrote: post #90
dvt wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ... technical interviews ... Technical interviews are manufactured tests that can be easily gamed. The idea that any valuable insight can be drawn from them is naïve at best. Further, the post was specifically about innovation -- given this constraint, technical interviews are notoriously bad at separating the wheat from the chaff (e.g. product questions are non-existent in technical interviews). "Fundamentals" can…

You don't know anything about the parent's process so your assumptions are pretty wild The parent's anecdotal experience is still a valuable datapoint in the face of two baseless stereotypes: 1. Chinese educated people lack fundamentals and are ill equipped for innovation 2. Technical interviews are at best a naive mechanism for evaluating candidates

You didn't actually offer a refutation of anything the parent comment said.

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Post by mywittyname »

blub wrote: post #57
JamesSchriver wrote: post #6

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I don't think China has to invade Europe, they're quite happy buying real estate, businesses and going on vacation there. Governments like Italy and others are happy to bow in front of the Chinese government in exchange for money. A military invasion would ruin the whole thing. The same holds for Russia, but to a lesser degree, because they're not as rich as China. An actual problem in Western European societies is m…

Immigration is not a problem, even in Europe. At current rates, it would take several generations for immigrants to make up half of the population. But at that point, the immigrants' children and grand-children will have assimilated. Just like how immigrants to the USA lost their native language and customs, so too will this generation.

Today, the only thing remaining from the influx of Italians, Irish, and Germans, are a bastardized holiday, canned raviolis, and maybe a few "heritage" festivals. Hell, the USA fought two major wars against Germany despite previously having a large influx of German immigrants.

On the other points, I absolutely agree. It's often cheaper to just buy nations than to deploy your military at take it by force.

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Post by KoftaBob »

jkaptur wrote: post #73
KoftaBob wrote: post #23

Interesting how Boeing and Airbus don't manufacture in China, and coincidentally China hasn't been able to produce any viable competitor to those products. Goes to show that without easy access to product blueprints/IP at the factories, China is very slow to actually innovate on their own. Hence why I feel the "China will outpace everyone in tech and take over the world" is super overblown. Even their university cult…

I've conducted technical interviews for approximately 200 students and recent graduates - around 100 each from American and elite Chinese universities. I've seen absolutely zero evidence for your view that "a generation" of Chinese students has graduated with "weak understanding of the fundamentals" compared to Americans. I'm happy to discuss further (surely my interviews are imperfect tests and the samples are biase…

Of course the elite students from Chinese universities are going to be brilliant, as elite students from any country generally will be. It would be ridiculous for me to claim that every single student in China doesn't understand the fundamentals of their field.

However, an academic culture that doesn't see anything wrong with cheating will mean their average cohort of students have a much weaker understanding of fundamentals compared to average students from a country that doesn't tolerate that.

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Post by avocado4 »

rossdavidh wrote: post #52

So, it used to be that saying anything remotely skeptical about Bitcoin was the way to get downvoted on HN. Nowadays, it seems that saying anything negative about China is how. Although, in the field of aeronautics, it is not like China is the only "state sponsor" to engage in espionage, or that this is anything new for any of the major powers.

HN / Reddit votes are very easy to manipulate with State-backed funding. Best to ignore the "consensus" on online boards and make one's own decision based on available evidence.

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Post by decebalus1 »

IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #119
craftinator wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nationalist comments, not racist.

See, that's the problem: "nationalism" is more about considering one's nation superior, which "racism" is about considering some other race/ethnicity/nationality inferior. As anyone willing to read the first paragraph on Wikipedia knows, "racism" includes ethnicity-based discrimination as well. But people will pretend not to know, meaning there really isn't a generally-accepted word for this concept. How convenient.

China has 56 ethnic groups. When you say something bad about China, you're talking about the nation. So if you want to play a card, it's either the nationalism or xenophobia card, but not the race card.

Re: Airbus hit by series of cyber attacks on suppliers

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Post by kortilla »

jkaptur wrote: post #73
KoftaBob wrote: post #23

Interesting how Boeing and Airbus don't manufacture in China, and coincidentally China hasn't been able to produce any viable competitor to those products. Goes to show that without easy access to product blueprints/IP at the factories, China is very slow to actually innovate on their own. Hence why I feel the "China will outpace everyone in tech and take over the world" is super overblown. Even their university cult…

I've conducted technical interviews for approximately 200 students and recent graduates - around 100 each from American and elite Chinese universities. I've seen absolutely zero evidence for your view that "a generation" of Chinese students has graduated with "weak understanding of the fundamentals" compared to Americans. I'm happy to discuss further (surely my interviews are imperfect tests and the samples are biase…

Sampling bias. The small percentage that put in the effort would be the ones applying for jobs at top US companies.
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