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‘Out here, it’s just me’: one doctor for 11,000 square miles

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Eh, I think you exaggerate. Sure, some people are so disabled they can't travel. For those who are not disabled but are simply poor, here's what they need-- and it doesn't cost much. - A greyhound bus ticket - Camping gear: A tent, sleeping bag, inflatable camping mattress - Clothes I used to live in a tent. Sure, it's uncomfortable, but it is fully survivable. While living in a tent in some woods, I pulled myself up…

Good for you. Many people cannot do it. Are not capable of bootstrapping. They will live and die in misery because you and others like you put your ideology ahead of reality and people. Just look at how well you wrote your words. You are functionally literate and comfortable with technology. When you moved and lived in a tent, did your spouse and children live there too? Who looked after the children while you were j…

I was good for me-- Very good. I am stronger now because of it. I can endure more physical and mental hardship now, thanks to the hardship I went through.

Going through challenges makes people grow stronger.

Avoiding challenges makes people grow weaker.

(Which is why SJW advocacy-- such as for safe spaces, censorship of wrong think-- signals weakness in certain sections of [brainwashed] society).

Look: People who lack strategy screw themselves. That's no one's fault but their own. If they get themselves into a mess, they deserve that mess. They should have done their research-- Everyone can access the internet and find life experiences, economic research, etc.

Again-- I lived in a tent in order to put my time into something more useful than waiting tables. I reduced my work hours and bills, so I could learn web development.

My tax dollars deserve to go towards more noble causes than to fund the poor lifestyle decisions of others.

Broke & in debt? Either don't have kids, or don't come yelling for my tax dollars when you decide to make poor decisions. May they be an example for the others.

Re: ‘Out here, it’s just me’: one doctor for 11,000 square miles

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Eh, I think you exaggerate. Sure, some people are so disabled they can't travel. For those who are not disabled but are simply poor, here's what they need-- and it doesn't cost much. - A greyhound bus ticket - Camping gear: A tent, sleeping bag, inflatable camping mattress - Clothes I used to live in a tent. Sure, it's uncomfortable, but it is fully survivable. While living in a tent in some woods, I pulled myself up…

Note that there are plenty of US cities where this is illegal and the police will confiscate and destroy your tent.

Doesn't matter. There are many cities where it is legal or not legally enforced if illegal-- plenty of options. Look at Portland, Seattle, for example.

I lived in some woods in Portland for 3 weeks, applying for jobs daily from cafes, and visiting community centers for food & showers. Landed a corporate office job. Anyone who isn't disabled can do it. Claiming otherwise is a cop out.

The question is: How much do they want to succeed? How much are they willing to sacrifice comfort for success?

People take for granted their mental and physical fortitude. They give up far too easily.

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The decades long wait times for green cards for immigrant doctors is also hurting health care in rural America. https://money.cnn.com/2018/06/08/news/economy/immigrant-doct... https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/maryland/communitie... https://time.com/5299488/international-medical-graduates/

Friend married a Russian cardiac surgeon, one with 20 years of experience, brilliant woman. She was not allowed to practice in the US without years of redoing residency and entry level exams and loads of money. She ended up changing careers as it was so much bother. Patients ended up losing out on a caring and bright provider.

If there is already an over-supply of docs already in the country, I don't see how an influx of foreign doctors helps anyone.

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Do you have sources for this? I see this claim a lot on HN.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/thanks-to-doctors-there-a... I also like this 45 minute lecture Milton Friedman gave to physicians telling them how they were making healthcare worse due to this type of lobbying by their representatives. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlk9HreE7U

Your source is an opinion article in an outlet deemed right-biased and of mixed factual reporting.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/washington-examiner/

"In the early 1900s, the AMA lobbied lawmakers to shut down many medical schools."

That's over 100 years ago. No information is provided as to which schools, or what the AMA's reasoning was behind their decision.

Likewise, lobbying to reduce residencies occurred over 20 years ago. The actual reductions were implemented by a Republican Congress and the Clinton administration.

"At the time, they argued there was an impending 'glut' of physicians. It is more likely they were, again, trying to protect their high wages."

Needless to say, that latter assertion is not in any way supported by documentation.

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My guess is that 'half the country' in that comment was supposed to refer to Trump voters, not non-voters.

That's not half the country.

No, but it's a pretty common mistake and makes more sense than it being the ones who didn't vote.

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That would be illegal because they would need to be licensed as doctors in the state of the patient, nothing to do with the FDA. https://www.ruralhealthinfo.org/toolkits/telehealth/1/barrie...

More likely, it would need to be legal in the country of the provider, and they would need to be out of reach of the US justice system, would seems doable in principle.

Sure - but it's hard to stay out of reach of the US justice system while staying easily accessible to patients by live video and internet payment in a low-cost-of-living area.

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That's not half the country.

No, but it's a pretty common mistake and makes more sense than it being the ones who didn't vote.

Well, even then I do not know how much better.

People, who do not see a net positive in either choice may protest, or gamble.

Last election that kind of thing definitely happened.

Now, the subtle bit:

GOP primary picks are of the voters. Dem ones are not. Party won in court asserting it's right to just select regardless of what voters do.

Secondly, money. It is expensive to become a choice.

Summary?

Voters may be left with two poor choices.

Conclusion:

Blaming voters is not productive.

That really is my only point. Blaming and shaming people does not help matters.

The necessary discussion is bigger than that.

Worth a bit of karma to plant that seed.

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It might not be their fault for breaking the law in the middle of nowhere , but they did still break the law. Not saying it justifies lack of medical care, I just think you're making an excuse for the wrong "element" of their behavior.

I have no idea what you think I am making an excuse for, but you're wrong.

>And it isn't a case of 'well migrants cross the border in the middle of nowhere so it's their fault'

You say that fault is attributed (by the public or whoever) due to [illegal im-] migrants crossing in the middle of nowhere...

Your counter argument is they mostly didn't cross in the middle of nowhere, so it's not their fault they were transferred to the middle of nowhere.

It has nothing to do with where they chose to cross the border illegally, people say it's the migrants own fault because they chose to cross the border illegally, period. You don't get to pick a jail when you're arrested, and you shouldn't be surprised to find out that many US immigration jails are along the southern border in the middle of nowhere.

They might not have chosen to cross in the middle of nowhere, yet their choices are still what caused them to end up there.

Again, this doesn't justify withholding medical care; you just shouldn't be surprised to end up in jail if you break the law, wherever that jail might be.

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Edited: Easy... They don't take insurance. They're typically cash only, which allows them freedom to do things like charge for house calls. Or they have contracts directly with employers to do checkups and on-demand visits onsite. Employers that are either big enough -or financially successful enough- to be self insured are essentially paying cash for office visits and most covered services anyway. (Many companies th…

I was only aware of them being a thing in the DC area, and not being mutually exclusive of insurance. Anyway, if the loss ratio of an insurance company is more than 85% by law, it seems like you can gain only so much by bypassing them. And why would you want to eliminate medical records?

I shouldn't say they're 100% mutually exclusive, but they tend to be for most routine services. They're probably still going to file a catastrophic claim if they find cancer, etc...

>it seems like you can gain only so much by bypassing them.

You do, but self-insuring on it's own saves a big chunk, so what's left is really just the complicated paperwork. The only reason it exists is to complicate insurance dictated rate structures, so get rid of the complicated rate structures for the 80-90% most common visits by contracting a doctor directly and there just isn't the need to pay someone else to manage it anymore.

Then the real gain is paying the doctor based on a simplified negotiated rate, and in return he gets a whole company of regular patients, and can send just one summarized bill to the company for everyone he sees in a week. Not having to file any additional billing paperwork per patient is just a happy side-effect, for both the doctor, the patients, and the sponsoring company.

>And why would you want to eliminate medical records?

It's not to eliminate medical records, it's just a matter not being forced to do them in a certain way. I think most doctors would have loved to start by scanning paper charts at the end of the day, then let some data people convert that into something the computer understands.

But the way it's setup (and mandated), the database is the official record (not the attached notes) so it all has to be done personally by the doctor, or signed-off by the doctor if a nurse or mid-level or medtech enters anything. They basically make the doctors responsible for data entry QAQC, with their malpractice insurance at risk for a screw up.

Doctors are used to mostly freeform notes with a few fill-in-the-blanks and check boxes for orders or standardized info like heart rate, bp, etc. Most software tries to cram 99% of this into a mess of a structured relational database. These also have freeform typing boxes for notes, but getting paid depends on duplicating most of the note information across a huge range of screens and tables so that the billing software understands what was done, and understands it in such a way that is covered by the patient's provider.

They are probably a 6-digit number of ways to code for giving the patient aspirin, but half might not be covered, and the other half might range in price from free to thousands of dollars of copay. And this changes with every different insurance policy, and every different doctors office/hospital system, (depending on negotiated rates with insurance) so that even the most expert billing tech might not know the correct way to bill a particular patient the first time. And oh, if they need to change it later to get insurance to cover it, the doctor usually has to sign-off on it again as if he performed a different exam than was recorded the first time.

It's a lot easier to just scratch down on paper (or in a computer) "gave patient exam and aspirin, bill for a level 2 and rx" or something similar, and then your receptionist knows what to collect or bill. All of a sudden you don't need a staff of billing techs on the phone with insurance companies all day, or a software support contract that your billing depends on.

Now imagine getting all the doctors approaching retirement and working in small practices that switching is worth the expense and hassle.

So it's not being against medical records, but the freedom to do them as you see fit, while avoiding the hassle of compliance.

And one of the few remaining ways to do that is go for the market that can pay cash, which overlaps nicely with both the concierge market and self-insured employers. (and some niche co-op style wellness "clubs", but I'm not familiar)

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