Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Automattic raises $300M at $3B valuation from Salesforce Ventures

techcrunch.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

121–127 of 127 posts

Re: Automattic raises $300M at $3B valuation from Salesforce Ventures

#121

Post by ceejayoz »

notzuck wrote: post #119
ceejayoz wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If she literally says that, please quote it.

"we realized that the demographics of people we attract to apply are not inline with the demographics of the people we hope to hire." I already quoted....

That quote does not support your statement "She literally said she gets applications from a demographic that she doesn't want to hire from...". She did not literally (or even figuratively) say anything of the sort.

"We'd like a more diverse pool of applicants" does not mean "we'd like a pool of applicants with zero of in it".

It doesn't even mean they want less of that demographic at all. It can (and likely should) be read as wanting a larger applicant pool overall, adding in folks from demographics who simply aren't applying currently.

Re: Automattic raises $300M at $3B valuation from Salesforce Ventures

#122

Post by notzuck »

human20190310 wrote: post #120
notzuck wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"we realized that the demographics of people we attract to apply are not inline with the demographics of the people we hope to hire." I already quoted....

I'm assuming "the demographics of the people we hope to hire" means demographics that match the population at large. They should have been more clear about what that meant. Nevertheless, if the demographic profile of their hires doesn't correspond to the demographics of the population they're embedded in, it's reasonable to question whether 1) they're unfairly excluding people and 2) the extent to which the people th…

I'm not sure what % of the population or wordpress user population is trans. Do we need to match the population in the first place? What if trans people just don't want to work for Automattic?

Re: Automattic raises $300M at $3B valuation from Salesforce Ventures

#123

Post by notzuck »

ceejayoz wrote: post #121
notzuck wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"we realized that the demographics of people we attract to apply are not inline with the demographics of the people we hope to hire." I already quoted....

That quote does not support your statement "She literally said she gets applications from a demographic that she doesn't want to hire from...". She did not literally (or even figuratively) say anything of the sort. "We'd like a more diverse pool of applicants" does not mean "we'd like a pool of applicants with zero of in it". It doesn't even mean they want less of that demographic at all. It can (and likely should) b…

"We'd like a more diverse pool of applicants" does not mean "we'd like a pool of applicants with zero of in it".

Are you sure about that? I don't think this is about equality at all. It's about her and her agenda. Forcing people into your pipeline to meet a soft quota is silly.

Re: Automattic raises $300M at $3B valuation from Salesforce Ventures

#124

Post by ceejayoz »

notzuck wrote: post #123
ceejayoz wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That quote does not support your statement "She literally said she gets applications from a demographic that she doesn't want to hire from...". She did not literally (or even figuratively) say anything of the sort. "We'd like a more diverse pool of applicants" does not mean "we'd like a pool of applicants with zero of in it". It doesn't even mean they want less of that demographic at all. It can (and likely should) b…

"We'd like a more diverse pool of applicants" does not mean "we'd like a pool of applicants with zero of in it". Are you sure about that? I don't think this is about equality at all. It's about her and her agenda. Forcing people into your pipeline to meet a soft quota is silly.

> Are you sure about that?

Yes.

If I look at my garden, and I say "gee, it's all yellow flowers... I'd like some red and purple ones, too", it's kinda nutty to think I'm saying "I'm going to rip out all the yellow flowers and burn them".

Re: Automattic raises $300M at $3B valuation from Salesforce Ventures

#125

Post by ceejayoz »

notzuck wrote: post #122
human20190310 wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm assuming "the demographics of the people we hope to hire" means demographics that match the population at large. They should have been more clear about what that meant. Nevertheless, if the demographic profile of their hires doesn't correspond to the demographics of the population they're embedded in, it's reasonable to question whether 1) they're unfairly excluding people and 2) the extent to which the people th…

I'm not sure what % of the population or wordpress user population is trans. Do we need to match the population in the first place? What if trans people just don't want to work for Automattic?

> What if trans people just don't want to work for Automattic?

That's why they're doing the survey? To find out if that's true, and if so, why it's true?

> Do we need to match the population in the first place?

If trans folks have statistically similar job abilities to non-trans folks, a disparity in hiring may indicate some other discriminatory / disparate factors that can be fixed. They might even be entirely unintentional.

That's why you do the research.

Re: Automattic raises $300M at $3B valuation from Salesforce Ventures

#126

Post by human20190310 »

notzuck wrote: post #122
human20190310 wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm assuming "the demographics of the people we hope to hire" means demographics that match the population at large. They should have been more clear about what that meant. Nevertheless, if the demographic profile of their hires doesn't correspond to the demographics of the population they're embedded in, it's reasonable to question whether 1) they're unfairly excluding people and 2) the extent to which the people th…

I'm not sure what % of the population or wordpress user population is trans. Do we need to match the population in the first place? What if trans people just don't want to work for Automattic?

> Do we need to match the population in the first place?

The extent to which things don't match is worth looking into. Historically such mismatches have more often been due to unequal opportunity than to other causes.

Re: Automattic raises $300M at $3B valuation from Salesforce Ventures

#127

Post by notzuck »

ceejayoz wrote: post #124
notzuck wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"We'd like a more diverse pool of applicants" does not mean "we'd like a pool of applicants with zero of in it". Are you sure about that? I don't think this is about equality at all. It's about her and her agenda. Forcing people into your pipeline to meet a soft quota is silly.

> Are you sure about that? Yes. If I look at my garden, and I say "gee, it's all yellow flowers... I'd like some red and purple ones, too", it's kinda nutty to think I'm saying "I'm going to rip out all the yellow flowers and burn them".

But you'll stop growing yellow ones so now when a yellow comes to your job interview you may turn that flower down purely based on race which is wrong. It's illegal to discriminate purely on someones race. If I would have otherwise hired you but I 'need' more red flowers then that's bad.
Post reply on HN