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Re: A mobile phone that respects your freedom [video]

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Post by maccard »

stinos wrote: post #119
rvijapurapu wrote: post #113

If you want true freedom, get a Nokia 8110 - I felt a weight off my shoulder using the device. Atleast for the week I've used the device. Then, life caught on. You can't manage kids' activities, work schedules and your social life without a smartphone these days.

You can't manage kids' activities, work schedules and your social life without a smartphone these days. May I ask where you live? Or did you mean 'without a computer'? Works perfectly for me in Western Europe.

My office requires 2fa login. You can set up text notifications but all our documentation mentions smartphone apps. My bank used a smart phone for 2fa, no text or card reader options available. My credit card is app only. Parking in my city is discounted using their app. Real time transport information (bus and taxi) is app only. It’s possible to do without but things are much less painful with a smart phone.

Re: A mobile phone that respects your freedom [video]

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Post by Freak_NL »

gregknicholson wrote: post #104
comex wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In many regions, using WhatsApp is not really a choice.

This is one of the problems the Librem 5 is designed to solve.

How? If you are stuck in one of the countries where more than 90% of citizens use WhatsApp, your choices are not to use WhatsApp, or to get an Android or IOS smartphone.

Individuals might be willing to contact you via other channels, but group chats won't move to another platform unless you are dealing with people who actually care about their privacy.

I don't use WhatsApp (can't use it due to not having an approved smartphone, and not wishing to accept Facebook's terms of use), and I miss things. Not a lot, and nothing critical, but my partner and I do miss out on some social things.

Re: A mobile phone that respects your freedom [video]

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Post by Freak_NL »

maccard wrote: post #121
stinos wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't manage kids' activities, work schedules and your social life without a smartphone these days. May I ask where you live? Or did you mean 'without a computer'? Works perfectly for me in Western Europe.

My office requires 2fa login. You can set up text notifications but all our documentation mentions smartphone apps. My bank used a smart phone for 2fa, no text or card reader options available. My credit card is app only. Parking in my city is discounted using their app. Real time transport information (bus and taxi) is app only. It’s possible to do without but things are much less painful with a smart phone.

> My office requires 2fa login.

Do they use TOTP? That can be done with a browser extension as well.

> My bank used a smart phone for 2fa, no text or card reader options available.

That sounds rather exceptional, which bank is this? I know one of the twelve or so Dutch banks does this (Bunq, a newcomer), but if any of the larger ones would drop non-smartphone authentication it would run into political trouble.

Re: A mobile phone that respects your freedom [video]

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Post by antisemiotic »

kompakt wrote: post #50
Kalium wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For many people, it's a Satanic symbol and thus they want nothing at all to do with it.

It's clearly not a satanic pentagram but apparently some sort of authors inside joke. Sure, it's based on it, but as you can see there's more elements added https://imgur.com/PxKw5Yw Throughout history five pointed star or its variations have been used in various cultures, ideologies etc. so I don't see it as a "deal breaker".

Looks like a ritual to protect against nasal demons.

Re: A mobile phone that respects your freedom [video]

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Post by wolfgke »

pjmlp wrote: post #99
alpaca128 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Librem 5 isn't designed for people who use WhatsApp. Signal and some other actually private messengers should work as they already have official Linux clients. That said I currently don't plan on buying it, simply because right now I'm not heavily relying on the phone. It is however the first phone released in the last ~5 years that I'd call interesting and unique.

Quite right, but they still need enough buyers to stay in business, which looking how things in FOSS hardware and software business go, that isn't a guarantee.

> Quite right, but they still need enough buyers to stay in business, which looking how things in FOSS hardware and software business go, that isn't a guarantee.

The problem rather is that many FOSS advocates are not willing to pay a multiple of the money (i.e. they do not put their money where their mouth is). If FOSS advocates were a very financially lucrative clientel, companies would care a lot more for them.

Re: A mobile phone that respects your freedom [video]

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Post by yoz-y »

schaefer wrote: post #38

The pentagram at the bottom left of the video is an instant deal-breaker for millions of regular folks... being aware of social sensitivities is a big part of being successful for projects that aim for broad adoption.

Maybe the developers are from Morocco?

(I have no idea, but I've never seen bad association with an upright pentagram)

Re: A mobile phone that respects your freedom [video]

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Post by batoure »

jstanley wrote: post #49

Skip to 20:06 to see the first public images of the actual PCBs that are going to be going into phones! I'll still be flabbergasted if they actually manage to ship phones within the next 34 days, but they haven't yet admitted that the shipping date will have to change. EDIT: At the end, the speaker briefly tries to demo the devkit, only to find that it has inexplicably turned off, and she states "it's pretty hot -- p…

One of the things I have started to feel as I read their recent design posts is that the phone will ship but be described as in a basic dev state and not ready for consumer use.

I have written and seen written several posts on twitter at purism that have consistently been replied to as recently as last week saying that pre-orders are still on track to ship before end of Q3.

It makes me feel like the hardware is ready and built and they are working through software management issues like power management before a launch date.

Re: A mobile phone that respects your freedom [video]

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Post by wolfgke »

Freak_NL wrote: post #122
gregknicholson wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is one of the problems the Librem 5 is designed to solve.

How? If you are stuck in one of the countries where more than 90% of citizens use WhatsApp, your choices are not to use WhatsApp, or to get an Android or IOS smartphone. Individuals might be willing to contact you via other channels, but group chats won't move to another platform unless you are dealing with people who actually care about their privacy. I don't use WhatsApp (can't use it due to not having an approved…

> How? If you are stuck in one of the countries where more than 90% of citizens use WhatsApp, your choices are not to use WhatsApp, or to get an Android or IOS smartphone.

So you decide for the former.

Re: A mobile phone that respects your freedom [video]

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Post by wolfgke »

maccard wrote: post #121
stinos wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't manage kids' activities, work schedules and your social life without a smartphone these days. May I ask where you live? Or did you mean 'without a computer'? Works perfectly for me in Western Europe.

My office requires 2fa login. You can set up text notifications but all our documentation mentions smartphone apps. My bank used a smart phone for 2fa, no text or card reader options available. My credit card is app only. Parking in my city is discounted using their app. Real time transport information (bus and taxi) is app only. It’s possible to do without but things are much less painful with a smart phone.

> My bank used a smart phone for 2fa, no text or card reader options available.

Switch your bank.

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