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Re: Show HN: I made a CRM system to make sales fun

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Post by cloverich »

johnwheeler wrote: post #113
uptown wrote: post #79

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So if a firm with 50,000 employees signs up, you'll charge them $49? You should reconsider this pricing model because a client of any considerable size is both able and willing to pay for a product that is financially stable. $49 won't keep the lights on, and the fear of investing time and data into a system that won't survive financially due to poor pricing might scare off some potential customers.

This is an unnecessary worry. How about they cross that bridge when they get there? If they spent time worrying about all that _could_ go wrong, they’d of never have built anything. People who spend time worrying about what could go wrong don’t make good business operators. The truth is, when you get a business off the ground so many things go fantastically wrong and so many go fantastically right and you’ll have not…

I normally agree with deferring features, but in this case protecting (/preparing) yourself from this scenario is a very simple change (add a second / third price point). You don't even have to do anything to support it, other than put it there and deal with it if / when that number of people do sign up.

Re: Show HN: I made a CRM system to make sales fun

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Post by drikerf »

johnwheeler wrote: post #113
uptown wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So if a firm with 50,000 employees signs up, you'll charge them $49? You should reconsider this pricing model because a client of any considerable size is both able and willing to pay for a product that is financially stable. $49 won't keep the lights on, and the fear of investing time and data into a system that won't survive financially due to poor pricing might scare off some potential customers.

This is an unnecessary worry. How about they cross that bridge when they get there? If they spent time worrying about all that _could_ go wrong, they’d of never have built anything. People who spend time worrying about what could go wrong don’t make good business operators. The truth is, when you get a business off the ground so many things go fantastically wrong and so many go fantastically right and you’ll have not…

Thanks John :)

Re: Show HN: I made a CRM system to make sales fun

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Post by smush »

ckluis wrote: post #53
dotancohen wrote: post #51

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You evaluate CRMs for a living? If I may, an off-topic question. I am completely unsatisfied with any addressbook software and have been looking at a ton of CRMs for personal use. I would prefer something open source, but anything self-hosted would do. The one feature that most CRMs are missing is CardDav and CalDav syncing. I need my contacts on my phone. Do you know of any opens source or otherwise self-hosted CRM…

Check out https://www.monicahq.com/ for a self-hosted CRM (personal).

I love the idea of Monica but I've had serious challenges getting it going in self-hosted land. I plan to keep trying though as the idea of a personal CRM is nearly irresistable.

My most recent attempt a few weeks back (following the debian guide in the GH repo + a few fixes on Stack Exchange) resulted in a page that lets you 'register' your first account but for some reason does not load any page. It just appears to either infinitely load or returns nothing, not even an empty HTML file.

I'm sure the hosted offering is great, I'd rather not invest any more personal information onto someone else's servers.

OT -> At some point I'm gonna get up the nerve to crack open a F# giraffe site and write up a small Personal CRM site.

I would want to track things like name, high school graduated, favorite color, name of dog, relationship to me, relationship to other people in the site, reminders to write them a letter every X days, 'on deck' lunch dates I need to plan, etc. Something like a mobile web-ready email-reminder enabled Farley File (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farley_file).

Re: Show HN: I made a CRM system to make sales fun

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Post by rrggrr »

EGreg wrote: post #109
rrggrr wrote: post #49

As someone who evaluates CRMs pretty much for a living I'm sad to report there's nothing new here. Great UI - Kudos. But, this is way more expensive than Pipedrive whose UI is arguably as user friendly. I think you've got potential here... but you're priced same as close.io with far fewer features and a similar UI.

Can you tell us what you consider to be THE MAIN features / traits of a CRM that makes it good? Like 90% of it? We are building one now. What we already have: An app that is used by 100000+ active users to manage their contacts and put them into groups. What we want to add: Each Group would have a Tree of States Each State would have (full HTML) Email Templates that you customize with our mobile editor You would be a…

contact me - gardner ...\at/... hiredinsight ...\dot/... co

Re: Show HN: I made a CRM system to make sales fun

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Post by nudpiedo »

cik wrote: post #44
mprev wrote: post #41

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We’ve been through several CRM evaluations since Highrise went into maintenance-updates only. During that time, we’ve seen some terribly unintuitive software and other offerings that look as though they’ll be great but lack some key feature. Every CRM has a gotcha that you won’t find until you use it in anger. IMO, seven days is not enough but I also think no evaluation is long enough unless you have the resources to…

Exactly this. We actually ended up rolling our own internally, as a quick project. It's just as bad as everything we hated, and has some of the features we loved. At the same time, it costs nothing now - so we've committed to using it.

if your time is worth nothing then it's OK I guess. In the other hand if it is feature frozen and the trend is for infinite months it would be a wonderful investment.

Re: Show HN: I made a CRM system to make sales fun

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Post by johnwheeler »

behringer wrote: post #119
johnwheeler wrote: post #113

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This is an unnecessary worry. How about they cross that bridge when they get there? If they spent time worrying about all that _could_ go wrong, they’d of never have built anything. People who spend time worrying about what could go wrong don’t make good business operators. The truth is, when you get a business off the ground so many things go fantastically wrong and so many go fantastically right and you’ll have not…

part of getting people to pay for it is pricing it properly. No business in their right mind would trust a tool that costs 49/mo for 50k users.

Yeah because you know, NOW really is the best time to prepare themselves for being the next Salesforce or Office 365.

Don't you think it's a just little premature for that scale of thinking? I mean, they just got the thing posted on HN.

Re: Show HN: I made a CRM system to make sales fun

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Post by mbesto »

tyre wrote: post #93
drikerf wrote: post #82

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I don't think that big of a firm will sign up. I'm building a CRM for small businesses and makers. I don't think that large firms would enjoy it.

Still useful to have. The most basic version would be something like: 1. up to 10 users: $49/mo 2. 11–25 users: $99/mo 3. 26–100 users: $199/mo 4. 101+ users: call me EDIT: As anyone who has tried to buy a CRM will know, these prices are crazy low. Which is a good thing!

> As anyone who has tried to buy a CRM will know, these prices are crazy low. Which is a good thing!

No, no it's not. CRM is incredibly valuable to any business and if your software provider can't sustain it's own businesses because they charge too little, the last thing you want to deal with is switching costs (direct costs and hassle) when they go under.

Re: Show HN: I made a CRM system to make sales fun

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Post by drikerf »

hnarn wrote: post #77
drikerf wrote: post #63

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Hey! Thanks for your feedback! I just want to mention that Wobaka is $49 for all of your team, not per user. So if you're more than 3 users it's not more expensive :).

Maybe the feedback here is to make that clearer, without knowing much that sounds like a huge selling point compared to your competition, so you should pull attention to it. This is what your website says right now: > Start your 7 day free trial now. After that it's $49 per month, total. How about clarifying it to something like: > 7 day free trial: after that unlimited users costs $49 per month. That's for your enti…

Thanks! I don't really want to compete on price so that's why I'm not highlighting it more. I just want to speak to small business owners :). Fixing the typo now!

Re: Show HN: I made a CRM system to make sales fun

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Post by drikerf »

throw03172019 wrote: post #81
drikerf wrote: post #38

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Backend is Clojure, frontend is ClojureScript :).

Nice to see a full Clojure stack! React based? If so, which library did you go with? Nice work!

Yes! I use Rum :).

Also Garden for CSS so it's 100% Clojure :D.

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