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Re: Twitter confesses to more adtech leaks

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Post by cameronbrown » Thu, Aug 08, 2019, 12:52 AM UTC

passivepinetree wrote: post #113

cameronbrown wrote: post #46

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Maybe it has, but I still believe in the long run it will do us more harm than good. We were starting to see a massive push to shift away from FAANG, but GDPR has just made those incumbents far stronger. They roadblocked the free market.

Can you offer any sources for your assertions? In my observation, we were seeing the exact opposite of > We were starting to see a massive push to shift away from FAANG In my experience we were/still are seeing ever-greater consolidation towards Google/Facebook services. As an example, authentication/login with Google and Facebook is becoming the default on many web services, excluding users who may have deleted or n…

Grassroots efforts everywhere, massive media pushes on the issue of privacy, monopolisation (still debatable imo) and ethics (Read: Amazon warehouse worker treatment), content creators shifting away from the ad model to donations (this could seriously damage YouTube in the long run), increasing use of adblockers, et al - these are just a few small things that really will set the wheels in motion against FAANG, though Apple and Microsoft are fairly safe because of their hardware business.

I don't think FAANG is going away anytime soon but the seeds are there. I'd rather these companies sort out their bad side than throw away all the work they've done.

Re: Twitter confesses to more adtech leaks

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Post by duckMuppet » Thu, Aug 08, 2019, 5:20 AM UTC

ianlevesque wrote: post #103

msla wrote: post #101

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Much less significant, you mean. He can't block anyone, so the news will report on anything important, meaning nobody has to use Twitter to see what he posts.

Not being able to read the president's public statements directly is ok now? I don't, because they're abhorrent, but what about the next one? This is the era we are in now.

I don't think you're understanding the point clairity was making..

Trump generally uses Twitter to fire up his base and give the other side something to stew over.

It's pretty well documented most of the garbage he spews on there has little basis in reality. But... Want to slip in an extra 500 mil in funding for planned parenthood or fund a new surveillance program without raising eyebrows? Simply make a xenophobic comment or say something vague enough that the press spend the next week making fools of themselves while his base just can't get enough napkins to clean themselves up..

Obama got that trick down too, just send the press release on Friday at about 8pm. By the time Monday rolls around, nobody cares.

The tactic has worked out really well for trump as well. He's actually been pretty milquetoast, even moderately more progressive in comparison with other similar democrats such as Bill Clinton or JFK policy wise.

He's also done a pretty good number on dismantling What's left of the tea party conservatives or republicans who espouse the ideas of limiting and reducing government, Not just reducing taxes without reducing govt.

He's essentially transforming the Republican party into the Democrat party of the 80's. All this because people love their narratives, orange man bad or Cheeto Jesus saves

Re: Twitter confesses to more adtech leaks

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Post by tempguy9999 » Thu, Aug 08, 2019, 9:16 AM UTC

Nextgrid wrote: post #118

koolba wrote: post #34

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I’d love a FOSS one that operated totally locally.

It’s crazy that ~10 years ago I tried a pirated copy of Dragon NaturallySpeaking on a 700mHz single-core machine with 384MB of RAM and it was capable of recognising my speech locally but now they want us to believe that local speech recognition is impossible despite having 10x the processing power.

I still have a working copy of dragon, and it needs a lot of training. I presume alexas are supposed to work out of the box.

Re: Twitter confesses to more adtech leaks

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Post by dx034 » Thu, Aug 08, 2019, 12:25 PM UTC

jpollock wrote: post #50

move-on-by wrote: post #45

There is no shortage of good reasons to block ads. Passive ads no longer exist, if they ever did. They are all actively exploiting, tracking, and selling you- even if you never interact with them. Some might say, "Stop using twitter", but how is any American supposed to do that when the President of the United States uses it as his platform? Beyond Twitter, there is no shortage of school systems, police departments,…

Blocking ads won't stop your info from being shared during the auction. That's a back end data transfer.

With ublock origin, none of the code gets executed. As it also blocks Analytics, you're effectively invisible to most.

Re: Twitter confesses to more adtech leaks

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Post by celticmusic » Thu, Aug 08, 2019, 3:36 PM UTC

ncallaway wrote: post #68

celticmusic wrote: post #60

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I'm an american who is not on twitter. We have these things called news outlets, newspapers, and so forth. Apparently these places take an interest in what the president does. weird, I know...

A) Almost all websites from newspapers and other outlets have many of the same advertising problems on them. In fact, I would imagine sites like twitter have more control over the ads placed on them than many websites for local papers. B) Whenever announcements or tweets or other newsworthy events are reported in the paper, I still like to go to the primary source to get the full context. So, the solution you propose…

What exactly are you saying here, that I'm uninformed because I don't use twitter?

That somehow when I see various outlets reporting on a tweet, and quoting it, that somehow that isn't enough because it doesn't have twitter.com in the URL?

What is it you're trying to say about me here?

Because I don't use twitter.

Re: Twitter confesses to more adtech leaks

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Post by celticmusic » Thu, Aug 08, 2019, 3:37 PM UTC

computronus wrote: post #84

move-on-by wrote: post #75

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Thank you, this is the point of my comment above. Also, many of the small announcements made by schools, police departments, parks, utilities, etc are not considered newsworthy and so Twitter or Facebook is literally the only source of that information.

Some of these entities - schools and utilities, I'd say - can't assume that those they serve all have internet access, so relying only on Twitter or Facebook isn't enough. My local school system, for example, issues important announcements by those means (so I hear - I'm not on either system), but also recorded voice calls and texts, to ensure the message gets out somehow. If they post information only on Twitter ...…

They also do crazy things like contacting the local news, announcing it on the boards that they all have outside of their school, sending paperwork with their students, et al.

It flat out amazes me how important people think twitter is to their daily lives.

Re: Twitter confesses to more adtech leaks

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Post by treypitt » Thu, Aug 08, 2019, 6:13 PM UTC

1qaz2wsx wrote: post #29

userbinator wrote: post #16

"We are committed to providing you meaningful privacy choices" -> "We are committed to selling your data if you let us" I hate this sort of pseudo-friendly weasel-wording that's getting increasingly popular these days.

unfortunately "selling your data" is why your 401k has been growing for last few years. it is not going to stop unless regulated by governments and tweaked over time as loopholes in those regulations are found (or added via lobbying). my take is, it is not going to stop, just kept in a pseudo check due to public awareness.

regulatory capture by oil & gas companies, big ag, big pharma are also responsible for 401k growth

Re: Twitter confesses to more adtech leaks

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Post by ycombonator » Thu, Aug 08, 2019, 10:18 PM UTC

they need to asked to shut up with pi-holes !

Re: Twitter confesses to more adtech leaks

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Post by Nextgrid » Fri, Aug 09, 2019, 9:58 AM UTC

tempguy9999 wrote: post #123

Nextgrid wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s crazy that ~10 years ago I tried a pirated copy of Dragon NaturallySpeaking on a 700mHz single-core machine with 384MB of RAM and it was capable of recognising my speech locally but now they want us to believe that local speech recognition is impossible despite having 10x the processing power.

I still have a working copy of dragon, and it needs a lot of training. I presume alexas are supposed to work out of the box.

Training is a worthwhile trade off if the upside is complete privacy.

Re: Twitter confesses to more adtech leaks

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Post by hdlothia » Fri, Aug 09, 2019, 3:29 PM UTC

duckMuppet wrote: post #122

ianlevesque wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not being able to read the president's public statements directly is ok now? I don't, because they're abhorrent, but what about the next one? This is the era we are in now.

I don't think you're understanding the point clairity was making.. Trump generally uses Twitter to fire up his base and give the other side something to stew over. It's pretty well documented most of the garbage he spews on there has little basis in reality. But... Want to slip in an extra 500 mil in funding for planned parenthood or fund a new surveillance program without raising eyebrows? Simply make a xenophobic c…

no way, the tax cuts , immigration policies, and intentional sabotaging of government agencies puts him far to the right of any democratic administration of the 80s.