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Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer

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Re: Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer

#121

This is the ultimate humble brag. To work at the leading cloud operation would be an honor.

Even if it was a humble brag (which I don't personally think it is), I would let it slide due to the beneficial information it is sharing about exploitative practices.

Re: Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer

#123

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There is also a thing called unions.

The tech industry has the best horizontal mobility of any other right now. Why do we need the downside of unions when we can just move company and have only the upsides?

> The tech industry has the best horizontal mobility of any other right now.

Until you age out.

And you will age out.

Re: Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer

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exit interview advice (applies everywhere): politely decline the exit interview. there is zero upside to doing an exit interview

Call me a naïf, but I think exit interviews are a great way to speak candidly to skip-level managers about dissatisfactions you have—with the aim of making the company you’re leaving potentially a bit better for your colleagues. EDIT: I think “feedback” here is somewhat vague. You guys are talking about issues there would be no point in raising. For me this is not systemic issues. I would bring up more minor things,…

Exit interviews are mainly used for one purpose--documenting any issues that might be used against the company if you choose to sue them.

HR is not your friend.

Re: Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer

#125

I once met a guy who was a programmer for a hedge fund. The strategies and knowledge he had would be very useful to competitors. They didn't have a non-compete agreement in the contract, as this is almost never enforceable here, instead he agreed to a six month notice period - after working two months' notice they then paid four months' salary for him to take a holiday while his knowledge became less and less useful…

It's quite common in senior posts or industries/domains with that sort of 'in-head' knowledge build-up

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden_leave

Re: Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer

#126

I've been approached a few times by Amazon recruiters, I reply back with my salary and profit share demands and that usually shuts them up. I guess that they must have some luck picking up junior developers from Europe, or maybe people who like the idea of living in the US or Canada for a few years so are willing to take the cut.

I've heard many stories of people taking Amazon jobs till their H1B application goes through and then jumping ship. Amazon seems to be well aware of this trend, however, and they make sure to squeeze a lot of work out of these people, holding the sponsorship over their heads.

Re: Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer

#127
I know about 10 colleagues that are working at Amazon right now.

Yes nobody was excited about what they're doing, but I rarely heard about others who are truly exciting on daily jobs, so nothing unusual.

They all seem a little more busy indeed, but their salary plus bonus is at least 2x comparing to previous job so I think they're fine with a little added workload.

Money talks for many, it is just yet another high-tech big company, and it paid really well comparing to other mid-small-companies especially, that's enough for most people, what else are you asking for then?

If I can get hired with double salary and a little more work, I will lower my sensitivity to the soft-skills and culture bullshit and just go to work and get paid, then I enjoy my life elsewhere.

Re: Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer

#128
I was leaning strongly towards AWS, after talking with people. I find the business model very appealing, and it sounded like I'd probably be valued well there.

Then I did a little due-diligence searching of news articles and such that I vaguely recalled, about both the blue collar and white collar cultures, and was very disappointed.

The various stories about non-developer treatment seemed much closer to home and real, when I imagined working there, and feeling I probably wouldn't be able to do anything to help them, and might be afraid to even try, unlike at some places.

I also didn't like the idea of (reportedly) being stack-ranked, and having everyone's metrics thrown up in a meeting, for a bunch of managers who excel in Amazon's metrics-driven corporate culture to debate amongst themselves. It sounded rougher than many other places.

Also, the noncompete. It wasn't in itself a showstopper for me, but it seemed to send a message of what the overall tone would be.

I'm not doing myself any favors by saying this, but I was actually disappointed, and maybe our industry will improve if we speak candidly about some corporate cultural things and values.

Re: Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer

#129

I've been approached a few times by Amazon recruiters, I reply back with my salary and profit share demands and that usually shuts them up. I guess that they must have some luck picking up junior developers from Europe, or maybe people who like the idea of living in the US or Canada for a few years so are willing to take the cut.

If you don’t mind what do you do that deserves a profit share from the company?

Re: Why I Turned Down an AWS Job Offer

#130

Same happened to me. A few years back, I got an offer from Amazon after going through the interview pipeline and the non-compete and outside-of-work IP assignment were the only thing I asked to be changed since they were draconian given Amazon's wide breadth of products. They declined to make the change so I declined to accept their offer. In general, Amazon doesn't make positive impressions on potential employees by…

This has been my experience with big tech companies as well. Many are willing to negotiate compensation, a few will negotiate holiday and benefits, but none of them will touch legal agreements like NDAs, copyright assignment and non-competes. And if you try the cute “cross off the terms you don’t like and initial them” trick, you’ll get a stern warning letter from Legal to sign it unmodified or GTFO.
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