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Re: Dark emerges with ‘deployless’ software model

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The tone here is _extremely_ cynical. Before you jump from thinking a specific feature is wrong, to asserting the whole project is a waste of time: please take a moment to consider where your broad assertion might be wrong. In the words of Sam Altman: "it's easy/fun to say every new startup you hear about is bad. you will usually be right. you will never be successful." https://twitter.com/sama/status/571733273996488…

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Re: Dark emerges with ‘deployless’ software model

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I'm working on DETA – it abstracts away Lambda/S3/CF/CW/TF. Would you be interested in a quick chat?

> .. it abstracts away ... Isn't that what people in this thread are speaking against? It may abstract something away, but with the downsides of learning this new (probably leaky) abstraction, increased third-party reliance, more magic, etc.

We believe people tend to opt for the less complex solution over time. This evolution happens slowly and may upset many people but in the end, simplicity wins. Caching, SQL, Load Balancers didn't exist a few decades ago and now we spend months of our limited time trying to tame the cloud machine.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a lover of (complex) systems, but not everybody needs them/can maintain them.

Edit: couple => few

Re: Dark emerges with ‘deployless’ software model

#123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> .. it abstracts away ... Isn't that what people in this thread are speaking against? It may abstract something away, but with the downsides of learning this new (probably leaky) abstraction, increased third-party reliance, more magic, etc.

We believe people tend to opt for the less complex solution over time. This evolution happens slowly and may upset many people but in the end, simplicity wins. Caching, SQL, Load Balancers didn't exist a few decades ago and now we spend months of our limited time trying to tame the cloud machine. Don't get me wrong, I'm a lover of (complex) systems, but not everybody needs them/can maintain them. Edit: couple => few

Caching, SQL and Load Balancers definitely existing a couple of decades ago...

Edit: Regarding your edit to "few", 40-50 years (at least) isn't a few.

Re: Dark emerges with ‘deployless’ software model

#124

I'm getting serious "Building Dropbox is trivial with with curlftpfs, SVN and CVS"[0] vibes from this thread. Sure, all it provides is already technically possible with what exists - but what if the 10% they shave off turns out to be the crucial 10% that carve out a completely new area in programming? Maybe having a fully integrated development experience actually is the "retrospectively obvious" missing thing... Tha…

While I agree with a lot of what you said I'd like to point out that Dropbox's initial customer was the common person, a non-tech savvy person who didn't want to carry USB drive around. Dark's customer base are developers in this thread, likely to be early adopters. That's my sense at least.

Re: Dark emerges with ‘deployless’ software model

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Most times I've worked with Lambda (or other competing cloud functions) it's been difficult or infeasible to run my function locally. Which means I can now ONLY test my code manually after a minute or so of deploy time. Separate from anything else about Dark, it appears to fundamentally avoid that problem.

The Serverless framework provides offline functionality ( https://github.com/dherault/serverless-offline ) to do this - I've found it works pretty well.

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Re: Dark emerges with ‘deployless’ software model

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I’m admittedly biased (early Parse employee, but not there by shutdown). Which part was a “fiasco”? As far as turndowns go I thought it was pretty damned fair: one year notice, a live data migration pipeline to self-hosted mongo, and an open source server implementation with a free license. Facebook even paid employees to continue working on the OSS components for a while till the community became so abusive that the…

The fiasco was not on Parse's end but it was ours for locking ourselves into their platform. The sunset window was indeed fair and as you described they provided a clear migration path to self-hosted mongo and eventually the open source server. The main problem was the vendor lock-in where our code base was completely tied to their platform and the migration which cost a lot of developer/ops time was forced upon us.…

However, there's always a new generation of developers who will inevitably make the same mistake that you (and I) did.

Re: Dark emerges with ‘deployless’ software model

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I hate acronyms so much :'(. To anyone reading this, please write the full term at least once before using an obscure acronym. It's a pain to decipher, creates confusion, and results in miscommunication. I have no idea what DETA is for and google doesn't help at all. My best guess is "Deployment Estimate Time of Arrival", which doesn't make any sense... Sorry for the rant.

Sorry that you didn't like our name. It's not actually an acronym. It's inspired by Commander "Data" from Star Trek TNG.

They're probably referring to the "CF/CW/TW" part.
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