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Europe's record heat wave moves toward Greenland

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Re: Europe's record heat wave moves toward Greenland

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post #87

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Under what scenario would the temperature of the artic shift by more than 30C over the whole year... That’s silly.

Why would that be necessary? They grow lots of wheat in the US upper midwest, and it gets damn cold there in the winter.

He said Mediterranean, upper Midwest in the US is not a Mediterranean climate either.

Re: Europe's record heat wave moves toward Greenland

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post #114

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I respectfully disagree here. The US has seen a sharp decline in children earning more than their parents. 90% of people born in 1940 earned more than their parents, compared to just 50% in 1985, a trend that we simply aren't doing enough to correct[0]. We're on our way to a new gilded age, but perhaps your kids will among the fortunate and not of the "useless class", as Yuval Harari would say. As technology and AI c…

what crispy means is that s/he is doing well.

Or isn’t American, the US standard of living has dropped but for many people around the world, this is as good as it’s been for them in centuries or longer.

Re: Europe's record heat wave moves toward Greenland

#123
post #87

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Why would that be necessary? They grow lots of wheat in the US upper midwest, and it gets damn cold there in the winter.

He said Mediterranean, upper Midwest in the US is not a Mediterranean climate either.

Ah. Yes, I said Mediterranean. But I meant it in the classical sense. Of a sea used for transportation among major centers of civilization. When everything in the current temperate zones has become ultra-tropical hellhole.

Re: Europe's record heat wave moves toward Greenland

#124
post #98

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Because it is too late. We're realizing now that it was too late decades ago.

It’s never too late to decrease the damage being done.

There are at least 5 positive feedback loops operating right now, ocean water temps, phytoplankton populations which impacts both oxygen production and cO2 conversion, phytoplankton is also the basis for the marine food chain, and their populations is down 40% since 1950. The other positive feedback loops are permafrost thawing, glacier melts and ocean salinity.

The earth and climate are already driving each other. We disrupted a delicate balance, creating these positive feedback loops.

Usually positive feedback loops run until they exhaust the resources, unfortunately the amount of greenhouse gases sequestered in the oceans, permafrost and glaciers is absolutely massive, when these feedback loops exhaust their resources it’s going to be vastly different planet, and it’s going to happen a lot quicker than anyone expects, we are seeing the acceleration already.

The only thing that disrupt these feedback loops is a global event, like a super volcano erupting, or a huge meteor strike, but both would have devastating impacts to the current life on the planet.

Re: Europe's record heat wave moves toward Greenland

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> He did. You didn't listen. He said that we need something beside the government I'm asking what. By what should governments be replaced? How? What should we do?

We don't know. The point at the moment is that it needs to be replaced - that government is not going to take adequate action. "What should we do" is the next question, and a very good one. I guess, if I were to pick one thing, I might say "install solar everywhere you can". Not only do you use less fossil-generated power, but you also help manufacturers ride the cost curve down, which makes more people consider inst…

The obvious problem is that without the government authority by threat of violence, selfish entities will certainly choose to go their own way. You and your community may choose to use composting toilets, but Dow Chemical will find it cheaper, sans EPA, to just dump their effluvia in the local river.

To be clear: I believe in and support the notion that the government should set the rules (based on established science) and enforce the law. (No, not particularly with physical violence beyond that needed for incarceration of gross offenders.)

Re: Europe's record heat wave moves toward Greenland

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It’s never too late to decrease the damage being done.

There are at least 5 positive feedback loops operating right now, ocean water temps, phytoplankton populations which impacts both oxygen production and cO2 conversion, phytoplankton is also the basis for the marine food chain, and their populations is down 40% since 1950. The other positive feedback loops are permafrost thawing, glacier melts and ocean salinity. The earth and climate are already driving each other. W…

Perhaps slightly insane, but perhaps a doomsday device is literally what could save the planet, at the expense of most of the current population?

Re: Europe's record heat wave moves toward Greenland

#127

The range between the min and max temps for the last 100 years is under 1°C globally. For the last 1,000 years it's just over 1°C (from wolfram alpha at least). It's clear that temps are slowly rising, but the constant reports of extreme weather seem at odds with the data to me. Is 1°C over 1,000 years really doing all this? When I read articles about the weather I have to remind myself what the data says. If I didn'…

Slowly rising? Have you seen the 100yr graph?

Re: Europe's record heat wave moves toward Greenland

#128
post #115

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I have an AC unit on rollers that has a hose out the window[1] to take the bite out of those hot days. Although I've recorded 38C inside my house... Seems like you insulation is a bit better. [1] https://www.homedepot.com/b/Heating-Venting-Cooling-Air-Cond...

Those single hose ones are a bit idiotic. They take air from around them (i.e. the room air they just cooled) to transfer heat into and move out. That will then replaced by air from the outside, transporting new heat inside. Still better than nothing, and cheaper to buy / easier to use, but I'd hope this is one of those kind of tech we'll see replaced by something better rather soon-ish.

There are two hose units that fixes this problem but they are rare and much more expensive, I 3D printed a set to the back inlet of my single hose one to fix this issue. Works wonders, now hot air are forced out instead of drawn in.

Re: Europe's record heat wave moves toward Greenland

#129

The range between the min and max temps for the last 100 years is under 1°C globally. For the last 1,000 years it's just over 1°C (from wolfram alpha at least). It's clear that temps are slowly rising, but the constant reports of extreme weather seem at odds with the data to me. Is 1°C over 1,000 years really doing all this? When I read articles about the weather I have to remind myself what the data says. If I didn'…

Slowly rising? Have you seen the 100yr graph?

Yeah, it looks bad, but the y axis on the chart only represents 1 degree. This is kind of my point, it’s so easy to show a chart with a big uptick and if you don’t dig deeper you come away thinking we’re about to catch fire.

Re: Europe's record heat wave moves toward Greenland

#130
post #48

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Not getting how that's possible at all. An ice age would be far more devastating to the human race than a warming period. Crop yields are up: 1) https://www.nass.usda.gov/Charts_and_Maps/Field_Crops/cornyl... 2) https://www.nass.usda.gov/Charts_and_Maps/Field_Crops/riceyl... Ok, so food looks safe and secure. Um, lets see, what are the other basic needs? Shelter? Water? We've had the rainiest year in 125 years: https…

Time will tell. Honestly, I don't care much, because I'll be dead. But I do expect considerable lulz, before I die.

That does come off as harsh. But in my defense, I did spend a decade in the NGO sector, at nominal wage, trying to build support for reducing CO2 etc emissions. Some decades ago.

Although there's been some progress since -- such as improved energy efficiency, and dramatic increases in solar and wind generation -- it's been overall totally inadequate. We're still heading for civilization-threatening changes in global climate.

Am I not entitled to some "I told you so" lulz?

Also, the "I don't care much, because I'll be dead." attitude has arguably been common among US industrial management. That plus "Hey, we can make good money by gaming the changes."

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