Photographers, Instagrammers: Stop Being So Selfish and Disrespectful • Hacker News Board

Re: Photographers, Instagrammers: Stop Being So Selfish and Disrespectful

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Post by DanBC » Fri, Jul 26, 2019, 10:47 AM UTC

atoav wrote: post #110

DoubleGlazing wrote: post #105

I used to volunteer at a heritage railway in Northern Ireland. We had several old restored trains and we went to great lengths to make the station areas look authentically old. Naturally photographers loved it. Most photographers were Okay and respected the rules, but some some just refused and couldn't handle being called out. For example one rule was do not get in train cabs, unless by prior arrangement - which inv…

I don’t really get it. I studied film and therefore had to talk to many places about permissions (often without beeing able to pay any compensation) – usually just asking nicely and explaining whatbyou want can get you a long way. Sometimes people will even come on their day off and help you out. This is about mutual respect: if anyone takes the time and effort to open a place for people with cameras, if what you wan…

See also street photography, where just asking people if it's ok to take their photo makes life nicer and easier.

Photographers are mostly allowed to take photos of people in the street, but some of them can be pretty obnoxious about it.

Re: Photographers, Instagrammers: Stop Being So Selfish and Disrespectful

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Jul 26, 2019, 10:56 AM UTC

tjr225 wrote: post #2

It feels more and more that people go to cool places just to prove they have as many resources as their peers. Travel and social media is just an extension of "keeping up with the Jones's" but on a personal identity level- only at the cost of whatever destruction you are willing to put our planet through, be it that new camera you bought, or the jet fuel you paid to burn. I couldn't help but feel guilty on the way to…

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Re: Photographers, Instagrammers: Stop Being So Selfish and Disrespectful

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Post by jasode » Fri, Jul 26, 2019, 10:56 AM UTC

unicornporn wrote: post #103

dhekir wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The author's blog says: All site content © Paul Reiffer 2019 and may not be used without permission And Petapixel's post credits him, and includes in the end: About the author: (...) This article was also published here [link to author's blog]. So, I assume it has been authorized by the author? Does he prefer to have a link to his own blog directly?

It has been authorized. The deal works like this: Petapixel pays nothing and the links in the footnotes hopefully drives some traffic to the photographer's site and social media. In this game Petapixel is the influencer that asks for free ice cream in exchange for an Instagram post. Blog spam 2.0. I don't see why one wouldn't want to link the source and at the same time support the writer directly instead of hoping a…

>Blog spam 2.0. [...] I don't see why one wouldn't want to link the source and at the same time support the writer directly

I wasn't the one who downvoted your comment but in this particular case I disagree. I wouldn't call this "blog spam". The petapixel post is more like the author strategically choosing syndication[1].

As a reader of articles, I find the petalpixel url more relevant than the photographer's own website. After I'm done reading the 1 article, I can see more "trending" articles on the righthand side to read more.

In contrast, the photographer's website is less relevant because I'm not interested in buying prints that cost $1100 to $13000 USD or contacting him to book luxury expeditions.

Just wanted to provide a different perspective and why I think the Petapixel url is more appropriate for the HN audience. In fact, sending a potential "HN hug of death" directly to the author's website with virtually no one "adding to shopping cart" while using up his hosting bandwidth seems to be the opposite of supporting the photographer.

[1] https://indieweb.org/POSSE

Re: Photographers, Instagrammers: Stop Being So Selfish and Disrespectful

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Post by eeeeeeeeeeeee » Fri, Jul 26, 2019, 11:02 AM UTC

VvR-Ox wrote: post #60

speedplane wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I am disgusted by these people. Absolutely revolted. I understand this is a subjective statement but something inside me recoils at these people, I understand how many can feel that way, but what if these photographers were genuinely interested in the underlying work. They did put in the effort to travel all the way to a farm to check it out. They took pictures of it in appreciation. Maybe they did not know how to…

That sounds like a lame excuse - sorry. Every child knows that you don't do whatever you want on the grounds of other people, in their gardens and homes. Stop being jerks and just ask people politely if it's ok for them that you take a picture. Also I don't get how they all need a picture of the same place. In the end all they do is to deprive themselves from real happiness and the possibility to just enjoy the momen…

I don’t think permission is the main problem here, it’s the volume of people taking the exact same picture.

I wouldn’t want a stream of Instagrammers at my door “asking for permission” to take a photo either. That’s also annoying.

Re: Photographers, Instagrammers: Stop Being So Selfish and Disrespectful

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Post by J-dawg » Fri, Jul 26, 2019, 11:03 AM UTC

tempguy9999 wrote: post #111

DoubleGlazing wrote: post #105

I used to volunteer at a heritage railway in Northern Ireland. We had several old restored trains and we went to great lengths to make the station areas look authentically old. Naturally photographers loved it. Most photographers were Okay and respected the rules, but some some just refused and couldn't handle being called out. For example one rule was do not get in train cabs, unless by prior arrangement - which inv…

Indirectly related, living in the UK there seems to be a growing culture of 'fuck you' in this country. Not a lack of etiquette or the trivial please and thank-you, those I can do without, you can still be sweary and abrupt and still considerate, I mean a fundamental selfishness. It seems to be bigger among younger people, 20s to 30s, and I will emphasize that it's uncommon and that the great majority of people at an…

Damn, I've noticed it too.

At these point I feel compelled to remember that quote from Socrates about how the kids are all rude and disrespectful these days. So maybe nothing ever changes and we're just getting old and grumpy.

But your comment definitely rings true. It's something hard to pin down but I notice it all the time.

Re: Photographers, Instagrammers: Stop Being So Selfish and Disrespectful

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Post by sprainedankles » Fri, Jul 26, 2019, 11:05 AM UTC

pard68 wrote: post #117

Grew up in one of those picturesque Maine villages you see, this is definitely getting worse as time goes on, but it is hard to put a stop to this because it also brings in lots of money to otherwise impoverished areas.

Which village, if you don't mind my asking (fellow Mainer here)? I grew up in a beautiful area that has never (and probably won't) seen the effects of tourism due to accessibility (read: The County), but have since moved to Southern Maine.

Maine has done a pretty good job of keeping tourism in check (I would say) despite being labeled the Vacationland, but I wonder if that has to do with our state having a more "plain" natural beauty? For example, Mount Katahdin is obviously impressive for the area, but it is nowhere near as dramatic as mountains out West. Then again, perhaps the strict enforcement of Baxter's vision for a forever "wild Maine" has served us well.

Or perhaps we are fortunate to have fairly brutal winters that give us a break from those who don't snowmobile!

Re: Photographers, Instagrammers: Stop Being So Selfish and Disrespectful

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Post by DanBC » Fri, Jul 26, 2019, 11:11 AM UTC

J-dawg wrote: post #125

tempguy9999 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indirectly related, living in the UK there seems to be a growing culture of 'fuck you' in this country. Not a lack of etiquette or the trivial please and thank-you, those I can do without, you can still be sweary and abrupt and still considerate, I mean a fundamental selfishness. It seems to be bigger among younger people, 20s to 30s, and I will emphasize that it's uncommon and that the great majority of people at an…

Damn, I've noticed it too. At these point I feel compelled to remember that quote from Socrates about how the kids are all rude and disrespectful these days. So maybe nothing ever changes and we're just getting old and grumpy. But your comment definitely rings true. It's something hard to pin down but I notice it all the time.

"I should have said, I'm the sort of person who likes to speak my mind. Yes, that's the thing about me I'm afraid, I don't really hold with political correctness, I mean when you think about it why should I have to filter what I say because someone else might not like my opinion? Now I just called a spade a spade."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAMHBlt_CQA

Re: Photographers, Instagrammers: Stop Being So Selfish and Disrespectful

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Post by thejohnconway » Fri, Jul 26, 2019, 11:19 AM UTC

modernthumb wrote: post #39

squirrelicus wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Flyover suburbanite here: I never understood travel culture, but I've seen it contribute to depression in my friends and neighbors because they somehow have been convinced that a meaningful life requires global travel, but find it difficult with mortgages and children. I view travel culture as very toxic as a result. "I just want to see the world" I hear, a yearning for an experience that, when pursued, might tempora…

I can see your point but as a passportless 21 year old I can't help but feel I'm missing out on something. I've never really experienced anything outside of the US. It's such an exciting prospect to visit somewhere exotic that looks nothing like the place I've always known, has completely different food, language, animals. Maybe the joy is temporary but it's still joy and I hope if I ever get the chance to travel it'…

Gawd I don't think I've ever seen something as silly on HN as 'travel depresses you'. You are missing out on something, you should do it, and it wont depress you.

Sure there are people who seem to travel with the intent impress people, but traveling is a character-building in a way that everyone should experience. Its not the kind of spirit-quest that some people make it out to be, but it will give you interesting stuff to think out for years.

Re: Photographers, Instagrammers: Stop Being So Selfish and Disrespectful

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Post by rjtavares » Fri, Jul 26, 2019, 11:31 AM UTC

jillesvangurp wrote: post #101

This is as old as photography is a thing. I've been to that area in France many times in my life. My parents actually lived there for a while after they retired and it used to be our default vacation destination when I was young. It's been a popular destination for tourists quite long and tourism is a big part of the local economy. Vincent van Gogh did some selfies there way back before photography was a thing (with…

The scale at which it happens is a new thing, and it definitely matters.

Re: Photographers, Instagrammers: Stop Being So Selfish and Disrespectful

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Post by lm28469 » Fri, Jul 26, 2019, 11:39 AM UTC

jillesvangurp wrote: post #101

This is as old as photography is a thing. I've been to that area in France many times in my life. My parents actually lived there for a while after they retired and it used to be our default vacation destination when I was young. It's been a popular destination for tourists quite long and tourism is a big part of the local economy. Vincent van Gogh did some selfies there way back before photography was a thing (with…

> This is as old as photography is a thing.

It sure is, but modern tech greatly increased the phenomenon. Old tech made photography way less interesting for narcissistic people. It was hard, expensive, took time to develop, you most likely had no audience if you weren't a professional. Now you can take a snapshit on your budget dslr, send it via bluetooth to your ipad, edit it right there and put it on instagram for free, some even get paid if they include a watch or a pair of shoe in the pic...

Sure in the bunch you have a few artistic people, but most of it is the same exact picture of the same exact thing. All of it for imaginary internet points. We don't have to watch black mirror anymore we're living in a lame and slow version of it already. Comparing Van Gogh to that is a bit of a stretch.