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Same here. If this happens, and my company is forcing me to business travel, I'm refusing to travel unless I'm put on an Airbus.
Fly jetblue. JetBlue is Airbus only.
Why do you presume they are American?
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Re: Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change
#122> Photos have emerged of a repainted 737 Max in Ryanair colours outside Boeing’s manufacturing hub, with the name 737 Max replaced by 737-8200 on the nose. Now I'm worried about boarding any 737
Ditto. And I'm really sad because after nearly two decades of not flying, I flew again last year (two round trips!) on Southwest, and I loved it and was looking forward to flying Southwest again. And now because of the 737 MAX, I'm going to have to avoid them. What low-cost carriers in the US fly Airbus exclusively? There's Spirit, which is notoriously horrible, and I saw someone mention JetBlue elsewhere in this thr…
There is Allegiant, which has an all-Airbus fleet, but you're unlikely to fly them unless you're taking a vacation to Vegas or Florida.
Spirit also gets an unnecessarily bad rap. Yes, their seats are tight, but they fly very few true long-haul flights, so it's not that big of a deal, and the Big Front Seat is probably the best value "premium economy" experience in the US. Prices for food and drinks in flight are more reasonable than they would be in the airport. In my experience, the only really unpleasant things about flying Spirit are:
1. Long lines to check bags (solution: don't check a bag, just pay the $5 extra to carry it on)
2. Other passengers that disregard plane etiquette (listening to music without headphones, etc.) or just complain a lot.
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#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
Immoral-as-the-norm is itself ridiculous.
I tend to see bad apples just like tornadoes or forest fires. They are natural catastrophes, and they will always be there, not matter the society we build. The important part is how we react to those people. In that sense, I feel we are more responsible for the problem than them. Indeed, why blame a tornado ? Better learn to behave in case of one, and make houses the proper way. So I don't think we should focus on t…
You're absolutely right to focus on making sure we know how to deal with these things. The difference is that there aren't two sides to a tornado. We should also additionally focus on the people and systems that make this happen.
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I'm worried about boarding any Boeing aircraft at this point. The revelations paint a picture of an engineering culture deep into the normalization of deviance [1]. [1] https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Professionalism/Diane_Vaughan_...
The planes they built before the current era of management should be ok. I've heard the 777 has the best safety record of any plane flying, but it was engineered before the current management.
I very much agree with that in terms of the old 777-200(ER) and 777-300(ER).
The upcoming 777-8 and -9 don't fill me with confidence though.
Re: Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change
#125> Photos have emerged of a repainted 737 Max in Ryanair colours outside Boeing’s manufacturing hub, with the name 737 Max replaced by 737-8200 on the nose. Now I'm worried about boarding any 737
Why? Do you think their safety record is worse than driving?
You're comparing the mortality rate of automobile travel to that of aircraft travel. Would you also compare the rates at which the two forms of travel are subject to, say, bird collisions?
Comparing the two is drawing a false equivalence. Yes, flying and driving are both modes of transportation, but they're radically different in terms of methodology.
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What company makes it hard to pick your flight that you’d need to resort to leverage?
What mid-size and above company lets you book your own flights at all?
I've worked for and know many people that work for very large (F500ish) companies, as well as the large consulting companies (Deloitte, Pwc, Accenture, etc), and booking your own flights/hotel is standard practice at all of the consulting companies and most of the others.
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Fly jetblue. JetBlue is Airbus only.
It’s funny how quick we forget things like the totally insane control scheme that brought down the AirFrance Airbus.
But the Airbuses were not grounded right? It is a different thing when they end up grounding all planes of a given model...
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Why the 787? It's been my favourite ride so far—comfort-wise.
1. It was created during the current management era. 2. It was built in South Carolina at a new plant that had huge production issues, such as leaving metal shavings inside the airplanes where they would get into wiring harnesses.
Let's not forget the exploding batteries which were fixed by putting a metal container around them and a hole in the hull, so when they inevitably explode again, they'll at least vent outside.
It'd be okay with that shit on a bus. Not on a plane in the middle over the Pacific. How the 787 got it's ETOPS rating is beyond me.
(actually it isn't. We have all witnessed how corrupt the FAA is by outsourcing it's own job to Boeing itself - the equivalent of a professor outsourcing paper grading to students themselves).
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To be honest even without the fix, the risk for a passenger taking a single trip on this plane it still negligible. It is not really rational to worry as a passenger. It is when you work all year long on one of these planes that the risk becomes unacceptable.
I despise these types of arguments. Look I get the statistical argument; but take a moment and consider the enormity of what Boeing has done here. Their best selling plane in history is also that which carries the most blatant stain of corruption and negligence. If Boeing gets away with this type of behavior, we really do essentially break the system by acknowledging that as long as you get big enough, it's totally f…
The effective solution isn't flying this one particular plane, the solution is to get involved in politics and work at getting people elected who will provide the resources necessary to the government agencies responsible for certifying safety.
Of course, in the US, we do the exact opposite by going for the candidates that harp on about waste and cutting down government in favor of free market solutions even when they aren't tenable. Unless of course, it's a terrorist attack, then we can unleash the floodgates of taxpayer funds to agencies tasked with violating our civil liberties.
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#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
I tend to see bad apples just like tornadoes or forest fires. They are natural catastrophes, and they will always be there, not matter the society we build. The important part is how we react to those people. In that sense, I feel we are more responsible for the problem than them. Indeed, why blame a tornado ? Better learn to behave in case of one, and make houses the proper way. So I don't think we should focus on t…
You're absolutely right to focus on making sure we know how to deal with these things. The difference is that there aren't two sides to a tornado. We should also additionally focus on the people and systems that make this happen.
Sure, but no matter how much you do this additional focus, there will be always be a few terrible persons going through the net. The only way to avoid it would be to cut down on freedom to an extreme.
It's also very expensive. The legal system, prisons, and the whole gov web is a big, slow and inflexible machine.
Removing the incentive to be an asshole is just better. But it's our job, not the job of some higher power.