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Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by mAEStro-paNDa »

deanCommie wrote: post #97
maerF0x0 wrote: post #64

Or thinkspot becomes the youtube killer and we all continue on https://www.ts.today/ edit: I have no idea how thinkspot is going to play out. But if I know one thing about the internet it's that it's really hard to stop people from using it however they please. Attempts to squash mostly just result a shift of where it occurs, not the fact that it occurs.

I know this is just going to be an opportunity for someone to post the "first they came for the and I didn't speak out because I wasn't " copyasta, but.. I wish the only people fighting against censorship by trying to build their own platforms weren't actual white supremacists and bad-faith pseudo-intellectual charlatans. (Note, I"m only placing Peterson in the second category. He's not a white supremacist. He IS how…

This is probably one of the more sound takes on both ThinkSpot and the right way to address what is happening on these massive platforms. Thanks for this.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by whatshisface »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #37
philipov wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rhetorical answer: If you can secure a system through legislation, it is no longer necessary to secure it through engineering.

That's certainly the (false) belief under which many legislative and governmental bodies operate.

It's a true belief for companies like Equifax, who can offload all of the liability so long as it's the criminal that is guilty instead of them. For Equifax, securing reads is worth very little because as long as they can A. stop competitors from using their data and B. have no liability all of their needs are met.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by ryanmercer »

nudpiedo wrote: post #49

Not anymore a conspiracy theory. This is the actual big brother modeling our futures, a group of people powerful enough, with their own interests and their own agenda with access to most peoples minds/lives, and who already publicly explained how they plan to influence on global geopolitics and society building. I find it disturbing this level of censorship. At first, it was pedophiles, murders and violent criminal a…

>Not anymore a conspiracy theory. This is the actual big brother modeling our futures,

No. This is a company that gets 99% of its income from selling ad space doing what they need to do to keep advertisers, their customers, happy.

It is not a conspiracy, Big Brother isn't trying to censor you, YouTube is trying to keep their customers happy to keep money flowing in.

I'm tired of people complaining YouTube demonetizing, or removing, videos is some sort of state-sponsored censorship. We had this exact same thing happen to many firearm channels in the past couple of years and it had nothing to do with guns being evil and everything to do with some of the channels were doing outright dangerous things and that advertisers did not want to be associated with home-made ammunition (taofledermaus exists solely to shoot home made ammunition, stuff like lego heads/nails/pennies/wax/anything you can think of), bumpstocks (JerryRigEverything showed one when it was in the news, DemolitionRanch showed how to bumpfire without a bumpstock), what happens if I put the wrong caliber ammunition in a firearm (Demolition Ranch, also I believe King of Everything did this as well he also was in the news for at least two of his videos and had legal action taken against him for making explosives around the same time) and video series like:

"what happens if I shoot OBJECT with a 50 cal" DemolitionRanch 50-cal Fridays

"what happens if I microwave ammunition/loaded firearms/full magazines" DemolitionRanch

Etc.

People screamed this was some Orwellian, big brother, gotta oppress people, conspiracy and it was nothing more than YouTube doing CYA and attempting to keep their customers (the advertisers) happy.

As a creator or viewer you are NOT a customer of YouTube, you are the product.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by ianstallings »

nudpiedo wrote: post #49

Not anymore a conspiracy theory. This is the actual big brother modeling our futures, a group of people powerful enough, with their own interests and their own agenda with access to most peoples minds/lives, and who already publicly explained how they plan to influence on global geopolitics and society building. I find it disturbing this level of censorship. At first, it was pedophiles, murders and violent criminal a…

Agreed. Being of the Libertarian mindset, I was at first completely okay with it under the argument of personal liberty and personal property. It's a private company and they can do what they want.

But the closer I looked at it the more I realized that it truly is a public space. And then when powerful political figures started influencing what was okay to censor on it I realized they are trying to do an end-run around the actual law via technicality. No need for the government to censor anything when they can just get the technocrats to do it for them. And everyone seems okay with it, so long as it's not them.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by diminoten »

whatshisface wrote: post #116
Liquix wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if it exists Herein lies the problem.. Most creators/uploaders know on some level that YT is a toxic monopoly and would be happy to jump ship. Granted some more than others, but I've never observed any sense of loyalty towards the platform - it's just where everyone goes to share and watch videos. However, switching to vimeo/DTube/flixxo/etc means less views and smaller paychecks. Why would content creators in the…

Vimeo isn't clean, they banned Alex Jones for believing (edit: and yes, saying) unacceptable things.

No, they banned him for saying unacceptable things.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by grafporno »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #56
gen3 wrote: post #15

Does this mean that all the reverse engineering videos, con talks, prof of exploit demos, CTF walkthroughs', and fuzzing tutorials will be removed? What about videos showing me how to use tools like Twistlock? Will they be exempt, but videos about burp be banned? What constitutes a "secure" computer system? Side note, I guess its time to fire up youtube-dl. Are there any channels that need to be archived? I normally…

Please use tubeup [1] to backup at risk videos to the Internet Archive. It uses youtube-dl on the backend for retrieving content, subtitles, etc, and will properly set metadata for the item in the archive. The content will be darked if there’s an issue serving it, and the IA staff and storage system will throttle you if necessary (which will bubble up as s3 timeouts). DEFCON, CCC, and other infosec groups need to mov…

CCC famously rolls their own streaming infrastructure during congress and all of it is available at https://media.ccc.de/

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by jquery »

deanCommie wrote: post #97
maerF0x0 wrote: post #64

Or thinkspot becomes the youtube killer and we all continue on https://www.ts.today/ edit: I have no idea how thinkspot is going to play out. But if I know one thing about the internet it's that it's really hard to stop people from using it however they please. Attempts to squash mostly just result a shift of where it occurs, not the fact that it occurs.

I know this is just going to be an opportunity for someone to post the "first they came for the and I didn't speak out because I wasn't " copyasta, but.. I wish the only people fighting against censorship by trying to build their own platforms weren't actual white supremacists and bad-faith pseudo-intellectual charlatans. (Note, I"m only placing Peterson in the second category. He's not a white supremacist. He IS how…

I've been saying for a while that we'll get to the point where anyone fighting for Free Speech will get painted as a racist because the censors will claim "free speech is a racist idea" and it appears we're pretty close.

How much of our classic liberty are we willing to lose in the pursuit of tribalism? The retort I hear when I complain about censorship is "haha you conservatives used to love the free market", not realizing not everyone who supports free speech and is anti-corporate is a conservative!

EDIT: These corporations cynically manipulated society's tribalistic nature to impose something that should've had bipartisan opposition. The good news about things like this is it's a great way to develop that bipartisan opposition, many people who've been wearing blinders will say, "hey wait a minute, that's my voice you're shutting down, and I'm not a bad person."

EDIT 2: I'm not here to defend Jordan Peterson or white supremacists. Just saying that moves like this will at least drive more than just two kinds of people away from YouTube, which was "people who love liberty and white supremacists" which of course makes the liberty people miserable.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by diminoten »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #37
philipov wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rhetorical answer: If you can secure a system through legislation, it is no longer necessary to secure it through engineering.

That's certainly the (false) belief under which many legislative and governmental bodies operate.

Isn't that how most home door locks work, though?

Let's not throw out the baby with the bath water here, it's pretty helpful to have legal deterrents to amoral actions...

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