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Tell HN: Social media strike proposed for July 4-5 by Wikipedia co-founder

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Re: Tell HN: Social media strike proposed for July 4-5 by Wikipedia co-founder

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Post by idlewords »

This strike does not seem very well thought through.

In an action of this kind, you want to demonstrate organization, capacity, and that you have real numbers behind you. Having people silently not use the internet on a major U.S. holiday achieves none of that.

If the goal is to get people to share the hashtag, then that should be the focus of the action.

A failed strike is much worse than not striking at all. But frankly, this seems more like a vanity effort than a serious attempt at change.

Re: Tell HN: Social media strike proposed for July 4-5 by Wikipedia co-founder

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Post by [deleted] »

Nextgrid wrote: post #108
doute wrote: post #96

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That is part of it. But the important point is that it is not inherent. There nothing saying that you can't be protocols for that. It is just beyond what the Internet was design for many years ago, and the de facto Internet today include proprietary infrastructure run by large tech companies. But it is generally even worse then that because today smart phone don't have external ip addresses so you can't connect to th…

Mobile networks are moving towards IPv6 now, so phones are uniquely addressable again. Making them reachable from outside (if they aren’t already) is a trivial problem to solve should there be demand for it. But I don’t see any major use-case for that - the main issue of battery life remains for any significant usage, and frankly I wouldn’t want to have something running in the background that would deplete my batter…

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Re: Tell HN: Social media strike proposed for July 4-5 by Wikipedia co-founder

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Post by nikhildahake »

icebraining wrote: post #111
nikhildahake wrote: post #46

I created Timelines - a social network that allows people to own their data. Timelines stores your data in a specific folder on your Google Drive which is sandboxed from all your other data on Google drive. Check it out! https://www.timelines.co

A few suggestions: - The target market will probably want details: does the data go through your servers unencrypted? Is it store unencrypted? People who care where the data is stored usually have common worries, you should answer them. - Who are you? If you're asking me to put my life on your site, the least you can do is tell me who you are. Maybe you can use it as a showcase of your product, if you can make a publ…

These are really good suggestions. I'll keep them in mind. Thanks!

Re: Tell HN: Social media strike proposed for July 4-5 by Wikipedia co-founder

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Post by nikhildahake »

mxuribe wrote: post #109
nikhildahake wrote: post #46

I created Timelines - a social network that allows people to own their data. Timelines stores your data in a specific folder on your Google Drive which is sandboxed from all your other data on Google drive. Check it out! https://www.timelines.co

I'm encouraged by your effort (anyone working on stuff to help decentralize people's data is always GREAT in my mind). However, if you really want to empower people to own their own data, you may want to consider data repository target platforms like NextCloud, and other platforms like it. That way, from soup to nuts, they have control over their data. Good luck and cheers with your project!

Thanks for the encouragement!

Re: Tell HN: Social media strike proposed for July 4-5 by Wikipedia co-founder

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Post by AJ007 »

r3bl wrote: post #119
jakear wrote: post #110

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To me, Discord is just a partial implementation of Slack. What does it have that Slack doesn’t?

Feature-wise, pretty much nothing, it's just targeting a different set of users. Slack started as a solution for companies and pretty much stayed there, Discord started as a solution for gamers and expanded from there. Slack is Discord for adults, but adults are never the ones who make or break social media. It's younger people who tend to be more invested in the platform they use. It's not a rational choice (nor was…

So basically what we need is Discord/Slack, but as an open protocol.

The entire concept of having a gigantic centralized social network on top of a gigantic decentralized communication platform (the internet) seems like a bit of an anti-pattern to me. Email, Usenet, and IRC seem to have never gotten the successors they deserved. Centralized, closed, and operates by a for-profit organization does not count.

As a side note I’m surprised there isn’t more mention of message boards here. Their peak seems to have been 2001-2010 and then their importance faded. One can discuss the shortcomings of phpBB and vBulletin at length, but their basic function seemed to have worked extremely well.

Re: Tell HN: Social media strike proposed for July 4-5 by Wikipedia co-founder

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Post by dmix »

idlewords wrote: post #121

This strike does not seem very well thought through. In an action of this kind, you want to demonstrate organization, capacity, and that you have real numbers behind you. Having people silently not use the internet on a major U.S. holiday achieves none of that. If the goal is to get people to share the hashtag, then that should be the focus of the action. A failed strike is much worse than not striking at all. But fr…

Sounds like competiting versions of slacktivism to me.

Re: Tell HN: Social media strike proposed for July 4-5 by Wikipedia co-founder

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Post by PavlovsCat »

zrobotics wrote: post #103
PavlovsCat wrote: post #87

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To me, a forum is about topics and people can discuss them at their own leisure, bumping them in the process. In contrast slashdot, reddit, HN are more like "what topics are currently on", and if only few people are interested in a topic and visit the site apart from each other, no story they are interested in will make it to the front page, and they can't even discuss it "slowly, sometimes", like they could on a for…

I don't think you are entirely wrong, but IME bumping an old forum thread will, more often than not, result in other members getting annoyed at necroing a thread. And while discussion does somewhat get replaced with like buttons, I have seen entirely too many "+1" posts on forums; people want to do something to show they like/agree with a poster even when they have nothing constructive to add. Although on this site,…

> IME bumping an old forum thread will, more often than not, result in other members getting annoyed at necroing a thread

Well, not in mine, in serious forums. Sure, gamer forums, and what have you.

> I have seen entirely too many "+1" posts on forums; people want to do something to show they like/agree with a poster even when they have nothing constructive to add.

They don't actually take away though, not like people downvoting, because they can't show something being incorrect, does, which I see happen all the time.

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