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Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionable Privacy Practices

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Re: Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionable Privacy Practices

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Post by antod »

imiric wrote: post #29
bitxbit wrote: post #8

Antitrust discovery will be juicy. It’s going to make the Microsoft witch-hunt look tame in comparison.

Part of me is glad that the public and governments are finally catching up to what FB has been doing for years now, but I'm worried that we don't have a better platform/solution that fills in the void without the risk of these privacy violations happening again. Some of the decentralized networks are interesting and seem like a good way forward, but they're still far away from being adopted by non-technical users and…

> I'm worried that we don't have a better platform/solution that fills in the void without the risk of these privacy violations happening again.

Can we just keep the void?

Re: Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionable Privacy Practices

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Post by AlexandrB »

paulddraper wrote: post #120
bongobongo wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It never ceases to amaze me how people who are opposed to government surveillance by accountable liberal constitutional democracies are OK with surveillance by unaccountable private interests who lie all the time and do harm in order to make money.

Government has a exclusive monopoly on taxation and physical force. Facebook is just some website. There's not even a comparison.

Government is elected.

Facebook is controlled by a single person who even the board cannot force out.

There's not even a comparison.

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Post by peteretep »

mrnobody_67 wrote: post #115
peteretep wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Someone who controls 3b people This bullshit hyperbole helps nobody

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/oct/02/facebook-... They decide what news & ads get shown. FB played a significant role in Brexit and US Presidential elections, enforcing filter bubbles, and running ads in violation of campaign finance laws (i.e. Russia).

Extrapolating that to “Zuck controls 3b people” is bullshit hyperbole

Re: Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionable Privacy Practices

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Post by AlexandrB »

peteretep wrote: post #89
mrnobody_67 wrote: post #54

He also openly ignores requests to testify in front of UK & Canadian parliamentary committees... Think about that for a minute. Someone who controls 3b people. Runs psychological experiments using AI. Bans accounts of people who violate corporate-created policies that weren't debated or voted on by the public. Violates FCC settlements. And then refuses to be held accountable - or answer questions- from first world, d…

> Someone who controls 3b people This bullshit hyperbole helps nobody

If there was a single newspaper that was read by 3b people I think many would be rightly concerned that it has too much power/influence. Why is this any different?

That's setting aside the fact that Facebook does not even try to firewall content moderation from advertising the way a traditional newspaper would.

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Post by AlexandrB »

lixtra wrote: post #113
malloreon wrote: post #87

Stop taking away personal responsibility from the thousands of facebook employees, each of whom chooses to be evil every single day. None of these people are being forced to work there. They choose to. They are just as responsible.

In that case don’t spare the users of FB either. They could carry their content elsewhere but they chose to feed the monster even more. Or - accept the fact that people consider a fair deal what seems to be exploitation to you. If you don’t believe that people are able to make a reasonable, conscious choice then the end of democracy has come (for you).

> They could carry their content elsewhere but they chose to feed the monster even more.

They did (Instagram, WhatsApp), but then Facebook bought those companies too.

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Post by seandougall »

asdff wrote: post #73
seandougall wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Email will notify you of events that are only publicized on Facebook? :thinking_face: I mean, to be fair, even Facebook won't necessarily tell you about an event unless the event creator pays them money to promote it. It's actually not a great platform for small-scale publicity, and _only_ publicizing an event on Facebook is clearly a mistake for a number of reasons. But despite its many virtues, email doesn't actual…

A contact list would, like what likely existed for every previous reunion in GPs high school since before 2010. My schools periodically reach out to update your contact info for their alumni roster. I bet GP never gave the school their contact info after graduation rather than this being a facebook only situation (unless it was just organized by a handful of alums and not tied with the school itself). There isn't a p…

That relies on a number of speculations, most importantly that GP was incorrect about the event having only been published on Facebook. I've seen enough small organizations work that way that I wouldn't be so hasty to second-guess GP's description.

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Post by darkpuma »

rock_hard wrote: post #83
hanniabu wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't know about these shadow profiles, that's pretty interesting. Does anybody have an informative link handy to read more about this?

The existence of shadow profiles are pure speculation born out of the idea that just because FB can it will keep every bit of data. When in reality FB just like any other well company has only stores what it needs as long as it needs to provide the services they do. On that note I might add that most data (if it wasn’t to begin with) becomes meaningless after a few days

> "The existence of shadow profiles are pure speculation"

Zuckerberg admitted to congress that Facebook collects data on people who are not signed up for facebook (but implausibly denied being familiar with the term 'shadow profile'.)

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Post by idlewords »

asdff wrote: post #80
idlewords wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are lots of situations where you have no choice but use Facebook. Some schools, for example, communicate through Facebook groups. Your church might do the same thing. You may have relatives abroad you can only talk to through Facebook or WhatsApp, because that's all they know how to use. Your landlord or employer might demand to see your Facebook profile as a condition of getting a lease or a job. The stance of…

Landlord/employer thing you will have to pull an example as that seems unheard of and an invasion of privacy. Obviously don't have a beer bong in your profile picture, but they aren't going to grab your wrist and make you log in during the interview. Landlord has no business knowing anything about your life beyond whether or not you can pay rent. All those other situations existed before facebook too, and people stil…

Picked at random because you could have trivially googled this yourself:

https://www.dailydot.com/debug/landlord-data-mining-tenant-a...

https://www.businessinsider.com/empoyers-ask-for-facebook-pa...

Re: Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionable Privacy Practices

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Post by tty2300 »

peteretep wrote: post #123
mrnobody_67 wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/oct/02/facebook-... They decide what news & ads get shown. FB played a significant role in Brexit and US Presidential elections, enforcing filter bubbles, and running ads in violation of campaign finance laws (i.e. Russia).

Extrapolating that to “Zuck controls 3b people” is bullshit hyperbole

Facebook has also performed studies where they controlled the items that show on individuals news feed and recorded how it changed their emotions. Controlling 3b people is exactly how I would describe it.
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