Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

twitter.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

121–130 of 249 posts

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

#121

Post by luckylion »

dwild wrote: post #116
grey-area wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not why AMP is needed. It is needed (by google) to extend their dominance of search results into the results themselves. It is not needed by anyone else. You can easily make pages lighter without AMP, and we shouldn't so easily swallow the reasons given by Google for its introduction.

I'll rephrase what he said. AMP was only ever needed because so many made their pages so artificiality heavy in the first place and had no incentive to make them lighter. AMP SEO advantage is a great incentive to make them lighter. The thing is, Google could have pushed their algorithm toward performance more and make it clear on their page too and have the same effect. They just found a way to get more control from…

> had no incentive to make them lighter

Didn't they? I mean, I figure everybody read the case studies about page load time and user abandonment. My experience is that those who built a leaner mobile version of their desktop site were also mostly the ones that built an AMP version (WP + "I'll just install a plugin and see what happens" left aside), while those that never cared about mobile users still don't.

Does AMP deliver better rankings? I haven't seen that on sites that I'm affiliated with, but that may be niche specific or the improvement wasn't big enough to go from 4 to 3 etc.

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

#122

Post by seieste »

playpause wrote: post #117
seieste wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think bitL is saying that reddit embeds some sort of tracking script in “soon-to-be-banned subreddits” that they don’t embed in normal subteddits, and that you can tell this from notifications within Tor

Still don't follow. Why track soon-to-be-banned subreddits differently?

I'm not sure. bitL deleted his/her earlier response saying we had to test it for ourselves

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

#123

Post by zaarn »

ec109685 wrote: post #96
Aissen wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've defended it in the past when it used to be faster (combined with pre-loading) than most websites, on mobile. Nowadays, it should be quite easy to optimize a website enough to be faster than the AMP version, but it seems not many websites are even trying…

Not true. Sites can’t safely preload and pre render non-amp pages, so non-amp pages will never be as fast as amp pages.

What websites need to not only regularly preload+prerender other webpages but also webpages outside their trustzone? And when does the performance of half a millisecond matter?

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

#124

Post by bluetidepro »

apexalpha wrote: post #118
bluetidepro wrote: post #90

It's ironic to me that AMP is a problem we all brought upon ourselves, really. It's almost (jokingly) a Prisoner's dilemma [1]. Had no one ever opted into it, it probably would have just been swept under the rug by Google, and a win-win for us all. But since a competitor of yours ( probably ) opted into it to get ahead of you, you now have to opt into it also, to compete and get the same SEO "power juice" it gave the…

Counterpoint: WE don't live in an ideal world and AMP is my only option of getting de-bloated webpages. I would love if managers and directors would do this themselves and AMP wouldn't be needed, but that's just not the case. I have to choose between downloading some text and images to read an article or load 5MB JavaScript SinglePageApp with tracking, ads, auto playing video's... I know in an ideal world AMP would b…

I understand your point, but I guess I just wish it wasn't an "either or" world, so we both could enjoy the web how we would respectively like. Why won't Google let us have both? Right now, I don't believe there is a way to disable AMP (unless you use like a Firefox mobile extension for that specific use case). That's what bothers me the most, personally. Google shoving it down our throats, and force feeding us AMP is so user hostile. Let the user decide, even if it was hidden under a super obscure setting in something like chrome://flags/, that'd be better. It's a simple win-win for everyone.

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

#125

Post by GavinMcG »

rendall wrote: post #84
GavinMcG wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What "power in another industry" is being gained?

How is this confusing? What's not clear to you?

The "power in another industry" part. What part of that wasn't clear to you?

Which market is Google unfairly benefiting/profiting in, by leveraging its market share in search?

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

#126

Post by untog »

apexalpha wrote: post #118
bluetidepro wrote: post #90

It's ironic to me that AMP is a problem we all brought upon ourselves, really. It's almost (jokingly) a Prisoner's dilemma [1]. Had no one ever opted into it, it probably would have just been swept under the rug by Google, and a win-win for us all. But since a competitor of yours ( probably ) opted into it to get ahead of you, you now have to opt into it also, to compete and get the same SEO "power juice" it gave the…

Counterpoint: WE don't live in an ideal world and AMP is my only option of getting de-bloated webpages. I would love if managers and directors would do this themselves and AMP wouldn't be needed, but that's just not the case. I have to choose between downloading some text and images to read an article or load 5MB JavaScript SinglePageApp with tracking, ads, auto playing video's... I know in an ideal world AMP would b…

> AMP is my only option of getting de-bloated webpages

It isn't, though. Plenty of sites out there are de-bloated, and things like Reader Mode in browsers makes the rest work just fine.

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

#127

Post by untog »

laumars wrote: post #98
bluetidepro wrote: post #90

It's ironic to me that AMP is a problem we all brought upon ourselves, really. It's almost (jokingly) a Prisoner's dilemma [1]. Had no one ever opted into it, it probably would have just been swept under the rug by Google, and a win-win for us all. But since a competitor of yours ( probably ) opted into it to get ahead of you, you now have to opt into it also, to compete and get the same SEO "power juice" it gave the…

Agreed. Further to your point, AMP was only ever needed because we made our pages so artificiality heavy in the first place

Pages being heavy is just the justification Google used to implement AMP. They should have prioritised search results based on page size (they have the data) instead to reach the same goal.

(AMP isn't even that light - Google preloads pages in its AMP carousel, using bandwidth whether you tap to view them or not)

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

#128

Post by benjymo »

bluetidepro wrote: post #90

It's ironic to me that AMP is a problem we all brought upon ourselves, really. It's almost (jokingly) a Prisoner's dilemma [1]. Had no one ever opted into it, it probably would have just been swept under the rug by Google, and a win-win for us all. But since a competitor of yours ( probably ) opted into it to get ahead of you, you now have to opt into it also, to compete and get the same SEO "power juice" it gave the…

Unfortunately, Google can rank by whatever criteria they want and we are forced to implement it. And it isn't always in the best interest of the end user.

E.g. at a company we had to add "useless" content on our shop pages, otherwise google ranked the pages lower due to having not enough content.

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

#129

Post by apexalpha »

bluetidepro wrote: post #124
apexalpha wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Counterpoint: WE don't live in an ideal world and AMP is my only option of getting de-bloated webpages. I would love if managers and directors would do this themselves and AMP wouldn't be needed, but that's just not the case. I have to choose between downloading some text and images to read an article or load 5MB JavaScript SinglePageApp with tracking, ads, auto playing video's... I know in an ideal world AMP would b…

I understand your point, but I guess I just wish it wasn't an "either or" world, so we both could enjoy the web how we would respectively like. Why won't Google let us have both? Right now, I don't believe there is a way to disable AMP ( unless you use like a Firefox mobile extension for that specific use case ). That's what bothers me the most, personally. Google shoving it down our throats, and force feeding us AMP…

I agree with you. I would prefer a world where AMP isn't needed and websites don't ad 4MB of bloat to their sites.

But, we don't live in that world I'm afraid. And for many news websites I don't want to even begin downloading the auto-playing video on their page. So AMP is for many the easiest choice.

Re: Google AMP Issue: Links to visit the site currently not working

#130

Post by ninth_ant »

anonymousab wrote: post #100
rendall wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is this confusing? What's not clear to you?

The 'other industry' part. AMP clearly expands and entrenches their power in parts of the web they are already in, but it's unclear what other or newer industry it is supposedly helping them dominate.

> but it's unclear what other or newer industry it is supposedly helping them dominate.

The entire web?

Post reply on HN