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Post by geggam »

throwawayatty wrote: post #118
geggam wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BTW how do you restrict a right without due process or a constitutional amendment ?

The "due process" is you suing the Government if you think your Constitutional rights have been violated. See 42 U.S.C. Section 1983. Consider attending law school; it's very eye-opening.

Also very expensive.

Asking the king permission to sue the king seems a bit like what the founders fought against than what they founded.

I doubt I have time to attend law school, get a degree and sue the govt before things change drastically. Not sure for the better.

Enjoyed the discussion.

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Post by geggam »

throwawayatty wrote: post #114
geggam wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Problem being the interstate highways prohibit walking,horse riding and most "not automotive" methods of transportation. You have to drive a car to travel interstate.

Not every state border crossing is an Interstate highway having controlled access. In fact, most are not (US highways, county roads, etc.).

Most states do have no trespassing signs on the rights of ways though.

Try walking around the nation and see how much police interaction you get :)

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Post by ceejayoz »

geggam wrote: post #113
throwawayatty wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a pretty wide gap between what you think is Constitutional and what U.S. courts think. Virginia law notwithstanding, elsewhere in the U.S., driving is not a right and never has been. Per U.S. Supreme Court law, freedom to travel includes the freedom to cross state lines, but that right does not extend to any particular mode of travel. You're free to walk, but not necessarily to drive or fly (notwithstanding 4…

Problem being the interstate highways prohibit walking,horse riding and most "not automotive" methods of transportation. You have to drive a car to travel interstate.

> You have to drive a car to travel interstate.

Uh… Airports? Trains? Walking? Taking the ferry?

You can literally touch four states at once at Four Corners.

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Post by geggam »

stordoff wrote: post #119
geggam wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the fact the constitution limits the govt and not the people. Given the fact the constitution says the govt cannot limit the freedom of movement. The govt cannot make laws limiting freedom of movement regardless of the method as they were not given that right by the constitution. Therefore driving as a form of movement cannot be regulated. There are also precedents discussing it Thompson v.Smith, 154 SE 579, 11…

> The exercise of such a common right the city may, under its police power, regulate in the interest of the public safety and welfare[...] > The regulation of the exercise of the right to drive a private automobile on the streets of the city may be accomplished in part by the city by granting, refusing, and revoking, under rules of general application, permits to drive an automobile on its streets Thompson v Smith

Cities can regulate but you have to be able to move about the nation freely.

You are prohibited from walking on most rights of ways not to mention if you do you will be harassed by police as a potential indigent.

Undue burden is also a metric ;)

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Post by Xylakant »

throwawayatty wrote: post #95
Xylakant wrote: post #40

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> It would be a very unusual circumstance for a person caught on camera performing a criminal act But the person wasn’t caught on camera performing a criminal act afaics. She was caught walking between two cars and pulling at a door handle, the car was locked, person continued. Is this criminal? Kids do that all the time. It’s alleged that the person did perform a criminal act elsewhere but was not caught on camera.

Attempted burglary is a crime.

Now, if you can prove that. I’ve pulled on door handles of cars that I believed to be mine. I’ve tried to enter apartments and hotel rooms because I took the wrong floor. The acts described in the video certainly look suspicious, but as a stand-alone video are a bit low as standards for convictions should go.

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Post by throwawayatty »

geggam wrote: post #122
throwawayatty wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not every state border crossing is an Interstate highway having controlled access. In fact, most are not (US highways, county roads, etc.).

Most states do have no trespassing signs on the rights of ways though. Try walking around the nation and see how much police interaction you get :)

> Most states do have no trespassing signs on the rights of ways though.

No, no they don't. Private property does; and controlled-access highways do; but definitely not ordinary public highways.

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Post by booleandilemma »

smacktoward wrote: post #69
awinder wrote: post #68

In the video, the woman’s face is clearly visible and there is no obvious criminal activity taking place. The Facebook post shows her passing between two cars. She pulls the door handle of one of the cars, but it is locked. Yeah that's pretty clearly attempting to steal vehicles / contents of vehicles, that's 100% what that looks like.

In a surveillance state, all behavior is by definition suspicious behavior.

It wouldn’t have been suspicious if she had just walked between the 2 cars, but she tried to break into one of them, and at about 8 seconds in you can clearly see her scanning the parking lot to see if anyone is watching her.
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