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Re: Boden – Native mobile cross-platform applications

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Post by saagarjha »

wtetzner wrote: post #58
saagarjha wrote: post #23

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> a user cannot download an app’s source, modify it, and use it on their device But I can do this for open source apps? More specifically (disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, and I don't know if this has been tested in court), I personally don't see the GPL requiring that I be able to modify the exact , signed binary that I was shipped if I can create an equivalent one myself.

I think the problem is that they need to provide a way for you to sign your own binary such that it will work on the hardware?

Which is entirely possible, no?

Re: Boden – Native mobile cross-platform applications

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Post by hobofan »

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #87
hobofan wrote: post #49

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> and use it on their device To use the modified software on your device you have to be a "App Developer" (or whatever Apple calls it), and in the process to becoming one accept the TOS imposed by Apple. So you are only as free to run the modified source as Apple wants you too be.

You don’t need to enroll in the developer program to run code on your own device anymore, only if you want to distribute through the App Store.

Huh, TIL. Last time I tried was ~2 years ago.

Re: Boden – Native mobile cross-platform applications

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Post by dkersten »

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #87
hobofan wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and use it on their device To use the modified software on your device you have to be a "App Developer" (or whatever Apple calls it), and in the process to becoming one accept the TOS imposed by Apple. So you are only as free to run the modified source as Apple wants you too be.

You don’t need to enroll in the developer program to run code on your own device anymore, only if you want to distribute through the App Store.

You have to refresh it every week or something though, right? At least last time I tried it (two years ago maybe?), the self signed apps needed to be re-signed after a short period of time. Fine for development and testing, not so great for actual real use.

Re: Boden – Native mobile cross-platform applications

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Post by sidewinder128 »

gitoby wrote: post #99
jacobush wrote: post #54

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LGPL has the same problem! Users must be able to relink an application with their own version of the LGPL library. This is impossible for almost all iOS scenarios and only very slightly easier on Android. This is often overlooked. If you want to keep LGPL you can investigate "linking exception", it's used by some GNU libraries if I recall correctly. This has been discussed for a decade: https://stackoverflow.com/ques…

Please take the following with a grain of salt. I am not a legal expert, but we have competent US lawyers assessing this for us right now. The main issue we see with the GPL is that your app has to be effectively licensed under the GPL too, which makes your app's license incompatible with the iOS App Store's terms of service. This is apparently not the case with the LGPL. Yes, you will have to provide a way for users…

I think LGPL is really more reasonable than the GPL as VLC case did.

Also you could follow the JUCE library model they got their free version and the pay version with a very attractive payment model.

I like JUCE but the components for mobile still not native l&f, Boden looks very promise with clean code using c++17.

But please keep a reasonable price for developers that make free apps and easy to pay.

Also if you could get a Rust version that it will change everything :)

Re: Boden – Native mobile cross-platform applications

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Post by sidewinder128 »

programmarchy wrote: post #46

The target audience seems very small. There’s lots of C# shops (Xamarin), and lots of JavaScript shops (React Native, Titanium), but few C++ shops that’d benefit from developing apps. Maybe I’m wrong but the niche seems too small to be sustainable.

This is different, Its not that c++ that people think from the 90's.

- Boden supports native components for iOS and Android and maybe other platforms in the future. - uses c++17 really clean with powerful abstractions, think all your app in just c++17, no xml or other craps, I want to make my app with just c++17. - no garbage collectors, slowness, pause the world etc - single binary - the fastest programming language in the market.

the list goes on and on.

Re: Boden – Native mobile cross-platform applications

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Post by wtetzner »

saagarjha wrote: post #121
wtetzner wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the problem is that they need to provide a way for you to sign your own binary such that it will work on the hardware?

Which is entirely possible, no?

It's possible, but they have to actually do it.

Re: Boden – Native mobile cross-platform applications

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Post by ppeetteerr »

andrewmd5 wrote: post #115
ppeetteerr wrote: post #83

It's cool to have options for x-platform development. I think we're at a solid 3 solutions: Boden (C++), Kotlin, and Xamarin (C#). Not to forget Unity and the JS solutions out there...

Flutter (Dart) is one of the best.

Oh yeah! Good call.

Re: Boden – Native mobile cross-platform applications

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Post by wtetzner »

saagarjha wrote: post #128
wtetzner wrote: post #126

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It's possible, but they have to actually do it.

But they do? Xcode does this.

I'm not sure if requiring you to buy a Mac meets the requirement. (I don't mean this sarcastically, I really don't know if it does).

Re: Boden – Native mobile cross-platform applications

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Post by saagarjha »

wtetzner wrote: post #129
saagarjha wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But they do? Xcode does this.

I'm not sure if requiring you to buy a Mac meets the requirement. (I don't mean this sarcastically, I really don't know if it does).

You do not need Xcode or a Mac to sign applications.
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