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Nancy Pelosi and Fakebook Dirty Tricks

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Re: Nancy Pelosi and Fakebook Dirty Tricks

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post #60

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Trump didn't spread the video, his lawyer Giuliani did. Trump pinned a video of spliced moments of Pelosi stumbling on her words: each segment was raw footage.

How is pinning the video not spreading it?

It's a different video. The one Trump retweeted is undoctored footage of Pelosi stumbling over words, because she actually does that.

Re: Nancy Pelosi and Fakebook Dirty Tricks

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post #41

I'm very uncomfortable with the current trend of trying to get big tech to self police. They'll never get it right because of moving goal posts and moreover I don't want a private company to have that power in shaping social discourse. If we as a society deem that type of content to be improper and that it should not be allowed on such platforms, then let's make that explicit from a legal perspective and regulate the…

>that type of content Therein lies the problem. The video was slowed down and the audio slightly distorted. I don't see a set of metrics that can capture that "type" of alteration that doesn't also capture tons of content. Unless, of course, you go down the route of saying "it's illegal to post any altered video or image of any politician."

That standard would also not be met by traditional outlets. Cutting videos to underline the message of a text is pretty common. This is not a new problem.

Re: Nancy Pelosi and Fakebook Dirty Tricks

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post #29

I don't fully understand why people think Facebook should be policing content, yet no-one thinks the phone company should delete SMS messages that are spreading misinformation, or the postal service should destroy false mail etc. It it because Facebook makes it much easier to share something with a wide audience? Is it because "the algorithm" means Facebook has more responsibility than if it were a simple chronologic…

Yes, the algorithm makes all the difference. I've missed out on two friends who were expecting children now, even though they posted it on Facebook, yet I see all kinds of conspiracy crap from my closest relatives. If this was done through mass SMS this would be different.

You dobn't have to remove the content either, lower the priority of that content dramatically compared to content about family updates. If Facebook is supposed to be about connecting people, stop the radical from using it as a cheap publishing outlet. If Facebook is a news publishing platform Mark Zuckergberg is the editor in charge. He has to pick a side because it's clear this is not sustainable.

Re: Nancy Pelosi and Fakebook Dirty Tricks

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post #96
post #41

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>that type of content Therein lies the problem. The video was slowed down and the audio slightly distorted. I don't see a set of metrics that can capture that "type" of alteration that doesn't also capture tons of content. Unless, of course, you go down the route of saying "it's illegal to post any altered video or image of any politician."

I don't see any such law passing first amendment challenge that's why the modern censorship for the right reason supporting centrist is down relegating it to private corporations that are not beholden to the US constitution. Ultimately the fact is that freedom of speech does not actually work if people have actual freedom of speech. It only works under certain circumstances where most of the media toes the line with…

I disagree profoundly. Free speech only "works" if it isn't free? Would need additional arguments for that...

Re: Nancy Pelosi and Fakebook Dirty Tricks

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What should be the rule about what videos are banned? We don't want to ban parodies I suppose? What if the author of the Pelosi video claims it's a parody? It would be great if we could allow parodies and jokes as long as a reasonable person can tell that this is indeed a joke. But that won't work since people disagree about what's "reasonable". I guess we can require that parodies and jokes are tagged as such, so pe…

I just want people to accept the fact that not everything you read/see on the internet is the absolute truth. Younger people learn early to navigate the web and additional education can keep their data safe. So what is the problem?

Facebook is too popular? I agree, but that is something everyone has to decide for themselves.

I do think people who are frustrated about current global politics want to restrict the net in the hopes that people adopt "correct" positions.

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post #107

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Yes, and big tech should similarly be regulated like traditional telecommunications, where subscribers of telco A can call subscribers of telco B without problems (unlike most chat services).

What do you mean?

I can't message my friends on Snapchat from Instagram, but I can call my friends on T-Mobile and ATT from Verizon. Phone companies shenanigans go back a long way, so there are more than a few lawsuits involved, in order to get to our current state for calling.

Re: Nancy Pelosi and Fakebook Dirty Tricks

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post #29

I don't fully understand why people think Facebook should be policing content, yet no-one thinks the phone company should delete SMS messages that are spreading misinformation, or the postal service should destroy false mail etc. It it because Facebook makes it much easier to share something with a wide audience? Is it because "the algorithm" means Facebook has more responsibility than if it were a simple chronologic…

I for one think it's outrageous that the USPS delivers so much unwanted and dangerous spam mail.

Re: Nancy Pelosi and Fakebook Dirty Tricks

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post #100

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Why is Facebook obligated to play the role of referee in games of political fact?

Because that is the role they have chosen by becoming a non neutral information distributor.

Kind of true. The only way I see it is to remove content moderation. Yes, you will find something you don't like. Maybe your kids too, but they are probably more fluent in online spaces anyway.

Re: Nancy Pelosi and Fakebook Dirty Tricks

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post #117

I'm very uncomfortable with the current trend of trying to get big tech to self police. They'll never get it right because of moving goal posts and moreover I don't want a private company to have that power in shaping social discourse. If we as a society deem that type of content to be improper and that it should not be allowed on such platforms, then let's make that explicit from a legal perspective and regulate the…

Especially with regard to politicians, regulating speech in this area like that video treads right on parody. Do they ban SNL impersonations too, Latenight TV mashups? No more Dana Carvey or Alec Baldwin and Tina Fey. Is that what they want?

The Nancy Pelosi videos tread on propaganda. It's being used to convince people "Wacky Nancy" or whatever Trump calls her is not fit for office, using actual news clips. It's clearly different from parody provided by a comedian on a show known for being a sketch comedy show.
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