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Re: China is blocking all language editions of Wikipedia

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Yes but they lifted out the most people from poverty in the last 20 years. The largest middle class of any society is the Chinese one.

The largest country of any other is also China. It’s not weird for them to have other most titles.

India is comperable.

Re: China is blocking all language editions of Wikipedia

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The largest country of any other is also China. It’s not weird for them to have other most titles.

India is comperable.

India will be larger than China soon, just not today.

Re: China is blocking all language editions of Wikipedia

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post #93

I still remember that last year during my internship in Mainland China, clone git repository from GitHub and GitLab is a pain and my professor even have to use VPN too. China is basically hell for developers. I am afraid the new generations in China will no longer know about the real Internet. *sigh

Interesting comment. You make it sound like the real internet happens to be US-centric. Yes, many important projects are hosted on Gitlab and Github, but there are also other ways to share code. And these alternatives might not be that well known to us developers in the western world.

I hope you are not a wumao. The salient thing about github and other similar resources is not that they are developed by people in the US and owned by a US company. People from all over the world use it. There is nothing intrinsically 'US' about the content itself.

On the other hand, the GFW excluding much content from outside China makes the China Internet experience particularly Chinese and not the "real Internet".

Re: China is blocking all language editions of Wikipedia

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Sigh and this is why plain text SNI is was not a good idea...

How SNI is helping there? You still will have the entire website blocked. Clear HTTP would help, as they could block few selected pages and rest would be available. I don't understand this entire movement to HTTPS. Some people think that governments won't dare to block Wikipedia, Amazon or Google? Well, they dared and now you have millions of useful articles blocked because of few offending ones. If I would live in a…

Over plain http, how would you solve the problem of a government modifying pages in transit or replacing them entirely with a new version? I suppose you could use the https public key infrastructure with digital signatures so that visitors know whether they're seeing the original...

Re: China is blocking all language editions of Wikipedia

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post #75

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Central control is efficient? Despite every government that tried to control the economy utterly failed? You will need to provide some solid source to claim this kind of things. The problem lies with the concept, not with how fast the loop happens.

Are corporations generally run as central control, or does it vary wildly? Genuine question as my knowledge of org charts is roughly as simplistic as this cartoon: https://www.businessinsider.com/big-tech-org-charts-2011-6?o...

> Are corporations generally run as central control, or does it vary wildly?

Corporations want to be centrally controlled, but the control is so poorly organized in most cases it's chaotic at best. And then there are multiple forms of organizations, not every of them works top-down, there are organizations that leave a lot of opportunities for working level employees to propose new ideas and initiatives.

Re: China is blocking all language editions of Wikipedia

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post #93

I still remember that last year during my internship in Mainland China, clone git repository from GitHub and GitLab is a pain and my professor even have to use VPN too. China is basically hell for developers. I am afraid the new generations in China will no longer know about the real Internet. *sigh

Interesting comment. You make it sound like the real internet happens to be US-centric. Yes, many important projects are hosted on Gitlab and Github, but there are also other ways to share code. And these alternatives might not be that well known to us developers in the western world.

I think he just meant that the "real internet" is the one where you can go to a website that isn't controlled by the Chinese government?

Re: China is blocking all language editions of Wikipedia

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Does China have something like the Cuban sneakernet, or is there a clear reason why that wouldn't work there?

> or is there a clear reason why that wouldn't work there?

There are Chinese-based alternatives to Wikipedia that are much more popular: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_China#Online_encyc....

Re: China is blocking all language editions of Wikipedia

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post #103

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Are corporations generally run as central control, or does it vary wildly? Genuine question as my knowledge of org charts is roughly as simplistic as this cartoon: https://www.businessinsider.com/big-tech-org-charts-2011-6?o...

> Are corporations generally run as central control, or does it vary wildly? Corporations want to be centrally controlled, but the control is so poorly organized in most cases it's chaotic at best. And then there are multiple forms of organizations, not every of them works top-down, there are organizations that leave a lot of opportunities for working level employees to propose new ideas and initiatives.

> there are organizations that leave a lot of opportunities for working level employees to propose new ideas and initiatives.

Note that's still central control, just with fatter signalling pipe which can send ideas upstairs, and not just results. Directions and evaluations still come from the top.

Re: China is blocking all language editions of Wikipedia

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post #43

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I am in China:-). That link is blocked.

Use this vpn: https://tunnelhero.com

Just FYI, their IKEv2 isn't likely to work, and Wireguard isn't necessarily available on all device types.

My standard process is to spin up a Streisand instance before I go there and give me multiple options (Shadowsocks and Wireguard are my main two).

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