Google Creates 'Dedicated Placement' in Search Results for AMP Stories

Post by blub » Sat, May 11, 2019, 6:54 PM UTC

katzgrau wrote: post #114

lwansbrough wrote: post #28

I hold the people developing this personally accountable for its negative impact on the web. Each developer’s role is just small enough so they feel powerless or don’t recognize the larger impact of their work. If you were paid to work on this, you are either wilfully ignorant or morally corrupt. Sure, this is only a small loss for the open web. But Google is a factory for small losses for the open web. I hope the pa…

> If you were paid to work on this, you are either wilfully ignorant or morally corrupt. I'm not a fan of AMP, but this is way over the top.

Post by TheSoftwareGuy » Sat, May 11, 2019, 7:06 PM UTC

dfabulich wrote: post #115

MrStonedOne wrote: post #54

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As a mobile user, I fucking hate it. I hate that every fucking google search result on mobile web has its stupid little icon I hate that there is no way for me to disable it as a user I hate that it has muddied the waters in what the url bar means I hate that it has trained users to not question fake url bars. I hate that cloudflare so thoroughly jumped on its dick I hate that we invented a way to fake the address in…

> AMP is not fast because it's served from google's CDN. That's a lie, It has always been a lie, and it will always be a lie. AMP is fast because it's incompatible with 99% of the bullshit client cpu heavy tracking and ad libraries, so they don't get included inside AMP pages. AMP is fast because of prefetching. That's not a "lie." You can measure this. When you click an AMP link, the page is already downloaded. Pref…

Post by TheSoftwareGuy » Sat, May 11, 2019, 7:08 PM UTC

blub wrote: post #121

dfabulich wrote: post #115

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> AMP is not fast because it's served from google's CDN. That's a lie, It has always been a lie, and it will always be a lie. AMP is fast because it's incompatible with 99% of the bullshit client cpu heavy tracking and ad libraries, so they don't get included inside AMP pages. AMP is fast because of prefetching. That's not a "lie." You can measure this. When you click an AMP link, the page is already downloaded. Pref…

"The only way to fix the privacy issues with prefetching is for the search engine (not just Google--Bing, too) to serve the prefetched page from their own CDN." Except Google is probably the biggest threat to privacy on the planet. You're not "fixing" the privacy issues, you're making things worse.

Post by mercer » Sat, May 11, 2019, 7:10 PM UTC

marcosdumay wrote: post #46

ivanbakel wrote: post #25

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I think it's highly naive to suggest that Google's leadership is operating in complete ignorance of their own product. This is the company of analytics - whatever approach is being taken is probably backed by a gargantuan amount of data. That doesn't mean it's good for the web, but "what (the most) users want" is Google's strong point. And this is par for the "the internet is now 4 websites" course, so I don't think…

If they are operating on top of a mountain of data, then they have a problem (what honestly would be good, even too good to believe). People are not the memoryless automata that statistics handles best. People react positively to a bad change up to a point where they don't anymore, you don't even need to keep changing to trigger this.

Post by calibas » Sat, May 11, 2019, 7:12 PM UTC

ben_jones wrote: post #97

I just want Google to acknowledge WHY they do stuff like this instead of an incompetent attempt to distract users with WHAT or HOW. AMP is clearly designed to keep internet users within Google's membrane because the default AMP cache most people are hitting is Google's. Sure, its faster then many types of websites but that is only a side affect of the system not its primary purpose or feature. Google execs are not ex…