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VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Post by sabareesh »

nickbarnwell wrote: post #110
sabareesh wrote: post #99

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I dont get people keep complaining about Tesla interior. I love the interior on my model 3 much better than any car I have been in. Can you list some of the things you dont like

Though much improved since the early days, both the 3 and the S have considerably worse fit and finish and material quality than competitively priced vehicles. Whether for weight, cost, or complexity savings, they also eschew a lot of sound deadening material. A $50,000 C class or A4 has a far nicer cabin than anything Tesla has produced, and when you start moving up into E or F segment vehicles the difference is eve…

Definitely it has come long way, the model 3 i have has not creeks or anything like that and with infotainment sure Tesla needs bit more features to be added on bluetooth integration but, I love the simplicity of the car is hard to describe and cockpit on the car almost feels like a spaceship. I almost feel I am outside the car and not inside.

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Post by sabareesh »

threeseed wrote: post #101
sabareesh wrote: post #99

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I dont get people keep complaining about Tesla interior. I love the interior on my model 3 much better than any car I have been in. Can you list some of the things you dont like

Just need one. It looks and feels cheap. Very much similar to what you would get in a Hyundai or Mazda. Go spend some time in a new Audi, Mercedes, Range Rover and you will see the difference.

I guess you have not driven a Tesla yet. I would recommend experience Tesla for more than a day it just changes everything.

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Post by tom_ »

imtringued wrote: post #115
tom_ wrote: post #64

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Is 15 minutes really "not much more than filling up with gas"? You can fill my car up to 100% from empty in 100 seconds. The entire process, including payment, takes less than 2.5 minutes, and usually (I rarely let it run to empty) more like 2 minutes, from switching off the engine at the pump to switching it back on and driving off. My car's fuel tank is 60 litres (15.8 US gallons). 35 miles per Imperial gallon in m…

I have a car with 30 litres and I don't think I ever filled up that quick in my entire life and I honestly couldn't care less because simply driving to the gas station and back takes me 5 minutes.

The fuel pump doesn't mind whether you care or not - it delivers fuel at a fixed rate. I bet the actual process of filling your car takes less than 2 minutes, too.

Anyway, the point of my comparison is not so much that you should care, or not, because that's up to you - but rather, to be vaguely data-driven about comparing Tesla charge times with how long it takes to fill a petrol or diesel car. Because we're often breezily assured that the two times are comparable, and it takes 15 minutes to charge a Tesla, and that this is "near enough" (or similar handwavy term) to how long it takes to fill up a petrol car, but people never provide hard figures for the petrol case. So here's me, doing my bit.

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Post by chaostheory »

modzu wrote: post #98
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> We really need an entrenched player to fully commit to selling EVs. I don't feel that this is a problem because of California laws regarding EVs, forcing every manufacturer to sell more EVs every year.

well those mandates aren't doing much: https://i2i.org/california-ev-mandates-fail/ i agree the comptetion between established players is required and hopefully leads to solutions to the main problem keeping many people in ICE over EV: range

That's a bit disingenuous. Without those mandates there would be a lot less auto manufacturers with EV models. CA has jump started the EV industry with those mandates. Could there be more EV owners? Sure, but this is still a huge improvement.

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Post by stuntkite »

milkytron wrote: post #72
razster wrote: post #65

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Owned a 2001 Jetta. The number of parts I had to replace became more than the cars worth. I will never own a VW anything because of the terrible reliability.

When did these issues start happening? I own a 2009 rabbit and have no faced any issues beyond routine maintenance. Guess I should knock on wood.

90s to early 00s VWs had some big issues. I remember when 90s Jettas were basically free because they all had blown head gaskets.

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Post by shereadsthenews »

izacus wrote: post #108
greglindahl wrote: post #95

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It's a "compliance car" intended to meet California EV sales minimums. So yes, you see more of them on 280 than you might expect from the total US sales.

CleanTechnica reports that VW sold 10.000 eGolfs in EU in 2018 Q1 + Q2, so that claim of "1400" sounds very very wrong. According to Wiki they sold 30k vehicles at minimum before 2018. Nowhere near Tesla 3 numbers, but claiming that it only sold 1400 vehicles is just wrong.

They sold approximately 4000 in each of the three years prior to 2018, in the USA. I didn't say they sold 1400 through 2018, I said 1400 in 2018. These numbers come from InsideEVs.

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Post by davidgould »

konschubert wrote: post #60
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Range Battery Cooling technology, steer clear of air cooled Charging rates Weight Cd From my view weight is the big limiting factor in EV efficiency at lower speeds and Cd becomes more important as you increase your speed to highway numbers and higher. Engines are important as the company Munro pointed out during their tear downs. They stated that Tesla had by far the most impressive EV motor they have seen based aro…

The interesting thing is that these motors are not made by Tesla.

The motors in Tesla’s absolutely are made by Tesla. Why do you think otherwise?

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Post by davidgould »

new_realist wrote: post #54
tzs wrote: post #38

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I think you are underestimating just how much energy is in a gallon of gas. In terms of miles per hour of charging or adding gas, gas is still massively faster. Tesla says the new charging stations are 1000 miles per hour. A gasoline car that gets 25 miles/gallon, at a gas station with pumps that go at 10 gallons per minutes, "charges" at 15000 miles per hour. (10 gallons per minute is the maximum allowed in the US d…

The 1000 miles per hour figure is burst, not sustained. As the battery fills up the charge rate will slow. There is a fire risk to charging, but there's nothing you can do about it, so it's better to exit your car.

There is very little evidence for “fire risk to charging”. Anecdotally most people at Superchargers sit in their car. The charge rate does slow as the battery gets full. But it’s rarely necessary to charge fully. The optimal plan is to arrive at the Supercharger almost empty and charge only enough to get to the next one. That way most charging is at higher rates.

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Post by ricardobeat »

Shivetya wrote: post #24
adamvalve wrote: post #21

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If the interior is anything like my Tiguan... I would greatly prefer my Model 3 any day. I don't think the ID3 is going to come with a premium interior... haven't seen any photos of it so I could be wrong.

Some pictures captured of the Seat version of the ID.3 match up very well with glimpses of the ID.3 interior. https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/seat/100354/new-seat-el-born-c...

I hope this is not it. Looks cramped like an economy car, with the massive center console and fat door covers.

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Post by davidgould »

tom_ wrote: post #64
jcfrei wrote: post #29

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With the newer 350kW charging stations you can charge up to 80% in about 15 minutes (ie. for a Model S battery). So not much more than filling up with gas. Granted cars which support this will be available at the earliest next year.

Is 15 minutes really "not much more than filling up with gas"? You can fill my car up to 100% from empty in 100 seconds. The entire process, including payment, takes less than 2.5 minutes, and usually (I rarely let it run to empty) more like 2 minutes, from switching off the engine at the pump to switching it back on and driving off. My car's fuel tank is 60 litres (15.8 US gallons). 35 miles per Imperial gallon in m…

This is only meaningful if you happen to live at a gas station. My electric car takes me only ten seconds to charge as I plug it in when I get home on my way inside.
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