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Re: Remote-Powered Developer Tools

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Post by meysholdt » Mon, May 06, 2019, 9:42 PM UTC

niutech wrote: post #116

meysholdt wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.theia-ide.org/ is vendor-neutral open source governed by an open source foundation (the Eclipe Foundation).

Theia is made by TypeFox and the Eclipse Foundation is developing the Orion IDE: https://wiki.eclipse.org/Orion

It's a bit more complicated, actually:

Theia is being developed by TypeFox, Ericsson, RedHat, ARM and more. Orion is being developed by IBM and more.

Both Theia and Orion are projects under the umbrella of the Eclipse Foundation: https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/ecd.theia https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/ecd.orion

The Eclipse Foundation (in the very most cases) does not develop software. They also usually do not pay developers. Their role it to arrange that companies and contributors play fair and nice when creating and using open source software.

Re: Remote-Powered Developer Tools

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Post by meysholdt » Mon, May 06, 2019, 9:49 PM UTC

pixelHD wrote: post #19

metamet wrote: post #13

The articles mentions this at the end, but Coder offers a remote VS Code environment: https://coder.com/ https://github.com/cdr/code-server Anyone have experience with it?

I use it in our lab, and it works very well. However, there's no multi-user support. So anyone who connects to the server gets served the editor with the same workspace. That being said, I think they have the multi-user support in the roadmap.

Interesting. You might want to try gitpod.io to have multi-user support.

Re: Remote-Powered Developer Tools

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Post by ElCapitanMarkla » Mon, May 06, 2019, 9:58 PM UTC

lostintangent wrote: post #52

holtalanm wrote: post #48

Just tried Live Share within VSCode the other day with a friend who lives in Hawaii -- It worked flawlessly after I worked around the issues signing in.

I’m sooo glad to hear that! Don’t hesitate to let us know how we can improve the product further, and also let us know if the direction we’re going resonates with you.

:+1: for live share from me too. It worked really well when we used it within NZ and then back to the main office in the UK. It’s been really useful for helping some of the guys back there

Re: Remote-Powered Developer Tools

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Post by jo-wol » Mon, May 06, 2019, 9:59 PM UTC

So now you can't disable their "analytics".

Re: Remote-Powered Developer Tools

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Post by naikrovek » Mon, May 06, 2019, 10:39 PM UTC

growt wrote: post #71

lostintangent wrote: post #45

Hey all! I’m the author of this post, and lead the PM team at Microsoft behind IntelliCode, Live Share, and the cloud-based remote development capabilities described in this article. We’re looking forward to working with developers, and learning how to further support teams who are looking to up-level their productivity and embrace further workplace flexibility (yay for remote development!). In the meantime, feel fre…

I'm interested in the privacy aspect of online.visualstudio.com. if I use it, does my code get tunneled through Microsoft's servers? Or is it end to end encrypted or something else?

What does "tunneled" mean in this context?

Re: Remote-Powered Developer Tools

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Post by jullytta » Mon, May 06, 2019, 11:35 PM UTC

ElatedOwl wrote: post #89

I wonder if this will have Visual Studio's Go To Implementation feature. If so, I really hope this gets fully integrated in Azure DevOps repos. It's a great experience right now, but I pretty often end up pulling the repository down just for Go To Implementation.

Yes, it will. It's nice to see someone appreciates that feature (as the person that spent 1 month making sure it worked well for the PR scenario).

Re: Remote-Powered Developer Tools

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Post by jullytta » Mon, May 06, 2019, 11:39 PM UTC

farisjarrah wrote: post #109

ralusek wrote: post #106

What is Microsoft's motivation for putting so much effort into VSCode? I don't understand the business of this particular product, and it makes me kind of uneasy.

A) Visual Studio Code is OSS, so anyone can come help microsoft improve it, which in turn helps out their commercial Visual Studio Project B) Gaining developer mindshare is very powerful. If you want another example of how powerful this is, just look at the dominance of Windows XP and Windows 7 in the developer market, which in turn, made a huge proliferation of software available for the windows eco system. They are…

VSCode was also born cross-platform, which enables developers that didn't consider Visual Studio.

Re: Remote-Powered Developer Tools

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Post by alexeldeib » Mon, May 06, 2019, 11:42 PM UTC

lostintangent wrote: post #42

tinyhouse wrote: post #9

Haven't tried it but this seems useful. I know Google has something similar they use a lot internally. I guess one common use case for this is when you have code you need to run on a remote server but you want a nice development experience like you're developing locally (sometimes I see developers open an IDE on a remote server which is too slow). A better solution is working locally and having all changes sync autom…

Check out https://aka.ms/vsfutures . In addition to Visual Studio Online (the web companion editor), we’re also building tools to allow developing against remote machines from Visual Studio and Visual Studio Code as well. In the case of the desktop clients, editing would actually happen locally, and synced with the remote environment. That way you have low latency editing + multi-machine portability and anywhere acce…

Sorry, Visual Studio Online? AKA Azure DevOps a few months ago? Surprised someone decided to pick the same name up that quickly. The name makes a lot more sense applied to this team, though :)

n.b.: MS employee, interned under the org f.k.a VSO a few years ago.

Re: Remote-Powered Developer Tools

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Post by paulddraper » Tue, May 07, 2019, 2:40 AM UTC

pytester wrote: post #77

Vinnl wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for pointing that out. (Also odd formulation of the question: "Why aren't the open soure? - We made the decision to keep them closed source." The actual answer is to the next question: "we may provide premium developer services.")

After embracing open source, they appear to now be extending it...

Wonder what they'll think of next

Re: Remote-Powered Developer Tools

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Post by anton_kosyakov » Tue, May 07, 2019, 4:01 AM UTC

Titanous wrote: post #57

It's worth noting that the new VS Code Remote Development extensions are not open source, which means that it is impossible for the community to fix bugs, and add new platforms/environments/features, or see the code that's running in their environment without reverse engineering. https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/remote/faq#_why-arent-the...

Also a license does not look permissive: https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/remote/faq#_can-i-repacka...

I don't see how someone else can leverage VS Code remote extensions to build something similar to VS Futures.