(I don't know about Lambda School specifically; just speaking of fields here.) Any talk of transferring anything cultural from current software development practice to somewhere else important... makes me nervous, by default. Right now, we have huge problems in software development practice, with both design&implementation quality, and ethics. You don't want your medical device or bridge developed in any way like the…
Completely agree. I don’t want medical practitioners who finished a medical bootcamp last week googling best practices on their phones and pretending to know what they’re talking about while I’m sedated in the OR.
Lambda School wants to teach nursing
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#122I love Lambda's concept. I think aligning the interests of the school with the interests of the student are a fantastic evolution, and committing to only charge students for payback in the case that they have a positive outcome is great too. That said, the "only pay us back if you get a good job" commitment seems like lip service as long as the cutoff is $50K (for software dev at least). Lambda school's team is super…
I don't think this is a fair comparison because it includes people with 10 years experience, and people with a 4-year computer science education. It would be better to look at the median income of developers with no more than 5 years experience and no more than 1 year engineering education.
Also the problem with increasing the minimum salary in the ISA is that it gives Lambda an incentive to reject applicants who are less likely to achieve that minimum. Personally I think Lambda should increase their $30k cap in order to align incentives for maximising the graduates income.
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#123> But Ms McRae is also concerned that programmes like Lambda School, though well-meaning, risk undermining existing educational institutions by offering a quicker route to work. If only. We all know the majority of what we learned in school was not useful. We should be striving to cut out the wasteful education that only serves as a signaling arms race https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/01/whats-c...
Don't know why this was downvoted. Having gone through higher ed, I think "undermining existing educational institutions" is a great thing. Now if we could just get rid of the standard hierarchical corporate structure...
We tend to underestimate that because we (engineers / people on HN) mostly happen to have a good education and interest in general knowledge.
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#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You don't want your ER nurse to be smug about how smart they are, while they do shoddy work with fad tools and halfwitted cargo cult processes. Unfortunately, this may already be the case with people who graduate from medical assistant and physician assistant schools. From what I hear from doctors is that the quality of these graduates are sub-par. They are usually confident in their medical knowledge while repeate…
You hear this from doctors because they are the ones who are smug and most likely feel their professions are threatened.
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#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
What was the worst part of Lambda? What are we really bad at?
My biased view: - Teaching assistants and section leads play a huge role in the quality of student experience. I think sometimes a supply/demand for filling these positions can result in not the best people filling them, which then can undermine the experience if your teaching assistant isn't the best. - The system relies on teaching assistants for reviewing student code, and determining if students pass their tests.…
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#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
You hear this from doctors because they are the ones who are smug and most likely feel their professions are threatened.
To be more fair, you hear "these shoddy youths!" from the incumbents in almost all fields. I guess this is mainly from the fact that newcomers always lack experience.
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#127(I don't know about Lambda School specifically; just speaking of fields here.) Any talk of transferring anything cultural from current software development practice to somewhere else important... makes me nervous, by default. Right now, we have huge problems in software development practice, with both design&implementation quality, and ethics. You don't want your medical device or bridge developed in any way like the…
> You don't want your ER nurse to be smug about how smart they are, while they do shoddy work with fad tools and halfwitted cargo cult processes. Unfortunately, this may already be the case with people who graduate from medical assistant and physician assistant schools. From what I hear from doctors is that the quality of these graduates are sub-par. They are usually confident in their medical knowledge while repeate…
Frankly, this comment just sounds like you have an axe to grind with PAs. (Hence conflating MAs with PAs.)
PA is a Master's degree. They diagnose, treat, and prescribe. Unlike MDs, who are board-certified independent practitioners, PAs are not trained to work independently but as part of a team. In some cases that means they function as physician extenders, freeing up physicians to focus on more complicated cases. In other areas they focus on tasks delegated to them, for example central lines or other procedures, wound care. Some are used as First Assists in surgery, others are used for pre and postsurgical care, which helps surgeons do more surgeries. In any case, while the roles for physicians and PAs are much more similar, the condescension remains in your comment.
Punching down on MAs is inconceivably poor form. Punching down on PAs is still bad. Conflating the two gives away your game. You suggest harm... have any evidence to back this up?
Hint: you won't find any. There aren't a ton of studies, and quality could be better, but mid-levels (NPs and PAs) who stay within their roles have comparable outcomes to physician colleagues. How can this be, given the difference in training time? Easy. The roles are different. The subset of pts managed by PAs/NPs is different than MDs, because professionals consult and transfer care when appropriate. It's no different than a family practitioner or hospitalist consulting specialists. Nobody does everything, healthcare is a team effort.
Trash talking other professions, especially without evidence, is unprofessional.
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A lot of people aren't driven enough by themselves. So although they -could- look things up and start working on projects, they -don't-. Another thing is the teachers/mentors. I'm not sure about Lamba School's quality but in general having a teacher or mentor who can guide you is very beneficial. The thing with programming is that there's so much you have to learn at first. I am also completely self taught. I learned…
I just discovered Ruby, do you have and recommended places to learn the language?
I learned a lot about Rails from Michael Hartl's Ruby on Rails Tutorial book.
I learned the most through doing, though. I would work on building my own website and looked up anything I didn't know.
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Most of our students are in rural areas where $50k is actually really good money (though this is changing). There’s not really an existing legal framework to say “if you make x in this kind of city or y in this kind of city.” Certainly, in San Francisco, $50k isn’t a win. Luckily our median salary there is well into the six figures. Lambda School’s income share agreement is also (to my knowledge) the only in the indu…
Consider using a base amount modified by cost of living, esp locational, with a formula that adapts when it changes. Buffer does this for their transparent salary calculations: https://open.buffer.com/transparent-salaries/ Btw, love what you're doing. It might have helped me back when I was in a rural area. We didn't have Internet, though. So, would've been whatever I could do at libraries during narrow windows of co…
Re: Lambda School wants to teach nursing
#130(I don't know about Lambda School specifically; just speaking of fields here.) Any talk of transferring anything cultural from current software development practice to somewhere else important... makes me nervous, by default. Right now, we have huge problems in software development practice, with both design&implementation quality, and ethics. You don't want your medical device or bridge developed in any way like the…
Completely agree. I don’t want medical practitioners who finished a medical bootcamp last week googling best practices on their phones and pretending to know what they’re talking about while I’m sedated in the OR.
For example when a doctor asks you if you travelled recently they aren’t going to know which contagious diseases are local to where you visit. So if you tell them you went to Belize they’ll open https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/destinations/traveler/none/beli... and see if anything there matches your symptoms.
For surgeons it’s mostly practice, practice and practice on how to cut you up and stitch you back together in the cleanest and fastest way possible.