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Re: OpenBSD 6.5

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Post by pimeys »

Accacin wrote: post #115

As a long time Linux user, I keep thinking about trying a BSD variant, but I get hung up on two things. 1) Which do I pick? NetBSD? OpenBSD? 2) Hardware? I'm thinking about an old ThinkPad for programming, and it looks like OpenBSD at least should run fine on that. What's hardware support like overall?

I just got a ThinkPad X230 with an IPS screen and an i7 CPU for 180 euros. It's the last one with a non-ULV CPU, which means it's still quite fast. And it all works perfectly, except maybe the bluetooth and fingerprint reader. With a 9-cell battery you'll get easily enough hours of usage, with apmd I'm clocking around 5-6 hours, which is fine for my use.

Re: OpenBSD 6.5

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Post by protomyth »

tedunangst wrote: post #94
brynet wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're reading the manual upgrade guide, for remote systems where you would otherwise cannot boot the ramdisk kernel to upgrade, which handles all of that for you. If you have console access to the machine, serial or glass. Things are far easier.

More evidence the hard way instructions should simply be deleted.

I would move them to a separate page and not delete them. Sometimes you need to know something about dealing with the ugly. Nice work and your blog is great.

Re: OpenBSD 6.5

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Post by mises »

structural wrote: post #118
Spivak wrote: post #81

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> I mounted the disk and tried to read off the log, but couldn't. I mean yes, you need something to parse the logs and turn them into human readable text, but the logs are perfectly readable. journalctl --file /mnt/var/log/journal/` A lot, dare I say most, of the parts of systemd actually are optional or do nothing until you use them like systemd-machined.

The assumption here is that the machine you're using to do the log analysis is also a Linux machine that uses systemd (and thus has a journalctl binary). This is not necessarily true. A lot of the annoyance that some people have with the systemd crowd is that these kind of assumptions are made all over the place. The actual software is not bad (I really do prefer dealing with systemd units than writing shell scripts…

Exactly. I was doing a competition that required me to run windows with a linux vm on top of it. This means I couldn't easily do it. Ended up having to use WSL, which is much more hassle than I ought to have to go through.

I agree as well with the unit comment; they're great. But I just can't get past the plans for world domination.

Re: OpenBSD 6.5

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Post by emgee_1 »

intertextuality wrote: post #84
busterarm wrote: post #74

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Mac OS X only works for this due to herculean community efforts. The base system is fundamentally unusable for this purpose without Homebrew, Macports (oh hey, BSD ports!), or pkgsrc (oh hey, BSD ports again!). The base packages get upgraded on a timescale approaching lolnever. They should be ashamed of themselves for shipping machines with Bash 3 still and that's just the tip of the iceberg. OpenBSD is so simple for…

> Mac OS X only works for this due to herculean community efforts. For programming, yes, although I don't know if brew would be called "herculean". For battery life and ease of use, no. I've setup BSD on linux on personally modded thinkpads (putting in faster cpus, new wifi cards, etc), and you have got to be joking when you say it's simpler or faster than turning on a new mac and installing brew. It's infinitely mor…

Highly used programs: emacs, vi, Tex , latex, R, python, lisp’s, awk, sed.

Yes No multimedia programs, cause I am a mathematician and for pdf I use pdftools; so no Adobe also; started with Slackware in 2007 after an abysmal windows period from 1991 till 2007; now I use openbsd and emacs simply rocks and is rock solid on openbsd.

Re: OpenBSD 6.5

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Post by pimeys »

makz wrote: post #101
pimeys wrote: post #2

Been running 6.5 snapshots in my travel laptop for some weeks and everything just works. The laptop is a ThinkPad X200 which is a bit slow for my needs, but upgrading it to ThinkPad X230 later this week should help. I really enjoy how simple the system is after all these years with Linux. I will always continue using Linux in my main computers, but for surfing, some hobby programming and as a travel OS OpenBSD defini…

I’m curious about what you consider a “travel OS” and how is that different from regular OS.

Travel OS, so I basically browse the Internet, watch some videos, listen to some music and do some hobby projects. Also it's nice to have a not so expensive laptop for travels, so it's not such a big deal if it gets stolen. And of course the travel machine uses full disk encryption. Size is important here: I prefer 12" for travels and 14" for work, when I want to view multiple files at the same time.

OpenBSD has hard time using even 4 gigabytes of RAM with Firefox having multiple tabs open. My Arch installations easily take over 8 gigabytes, if I'm not compiling anything.

If I need a backup machine for work, I kind of want a Linux with all the Docker, Spotify, Signal etc. easily available.

Re: OpenBSD 6.5

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Post by emgee_1 »

pimeys wrote: post #121
Accacin wrote: post #115

As a long time Linux user, I keep thinking about trying a BSD variant, but I get hung up on two things. 1) Which do I pick? NetBSD? OpenBSD? 2) Hardware? I'm thinking about an old ThinkPad for programming, and it looks like OpenBSD at least should run fine on that. What's hardware support like overall?

I just got a ThinkPad X230 with an IPS screen and an i7 CPU for 180 euros. It's the last one with a non-ULV CPU, which means it's still quite fast. And it all works perfectly, except maybe the bluetooth and fingerprint reader. With a 9-cell battery you'll get easily enough hours of usage, with apmd I'm clocking around 5-6 hours, which is fine for my use.

Openbsd does not support Bluetooth

Re: OpenBSD 6.5

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Post by geff82 »

pimeys wrote: post #121
Accacin wrote: post #115

As a long time Linux user, I keep thinking about trying a BSD variant, but I get hung up on two things. 1) Which do I pick? NetBSD? OpenBSD? 2) Hardware? I'm thinking about an old ThinkPad for programming, and it looks like OpenBSD at least should run fine on that. What's hardware support like overall?

I just got a ThinkPad X230 with an IPS screen and an i7 CPU for 180 euros. It's the last one with a non-ULV CPU, which means it's still quite fast. And it all works perfectly, except maybe the bluetooth and fingerprint reader. With a 9-cell battery you'll get easily enough hours of usage, with apmd I'm clocking around 5-6 hours, which is fine for my use.

Mmmmmh... Using Linux and 9 cells (92wh), my x240 runs for about 12 hours.

Re: OpenBSD 6.5

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Post by enriquto »

Accacin wrote: post #115

As a long time Linux user, I keep thinking about trying a BSD variant, but I get hung up on two things. 1) Which do I pick? NetBSD? OpenBSD? 2) Hardware? I'm thinking about an old ThinkPad for programming, and it looks like OpenBSD at least should run fine on that. What's hardware support like overall?

You can also pick DragonflyBSD

Re: OpenBSD 6.5

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Post by ColanR »

asveikau wrote: post #96
mikece wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I really enjoy how simple the system is after all these years with Linux. I still shake my head when I think back to the 90s and how Linux managed to overtake the BSDs. Good to see they are still very much alive and moving forward.

The weird thing, though, is that 90s Linux felt a little more like the BSDs than Linux usually does today. I mean, the BSDs were always a bit more coherent, but the default install of a typical Linux distro felt a lot less "heavy" in the past. You can switch from Linux to one of the *BSDs and feel like you are bringing back the glory days. Maybe this is a complaint about Ubuntu, or gnome, or systemd.

I just switched from ubuntu to OpenBSD, realized that it's not optimized for desktop usage, and have been happy with Void for a while now.

Re: OpenBSD 6.5

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Post by tedunangst »

arendtio wrote: post #120
tedunangst wrote: post #93

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The installer is not a live CD. It's only enough tooling to install openbsd.

Okay thanks, unexpected but good to know (at >340MB I would have expected a complete base system at least). Do you know if there is some up to date OpenBSD live CD somewhere?

The project isn't really interested in a live CD. If you just want to test openbsd, install it on a test machine.
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