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Tracking Phones, Google Is a Dragnet for the Police

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Orwell never guessed that the government could outsource our dystopian nightmare to corporations.

He also never guessed that we would eagerly stand in line to spend $1000 to buy our own tracking devices.

Given that TVs were one of the tracking devices in his 1984 I'm not sure he would be entirely surprised.

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The article describes a case where an innocent man had to spend a week in jail. Eventually, he was released and the presumed actual perpetrator was caught. The lead seemed to come from the location data, so it wasn’t useless at least. But the so called justice system says that it got it right here. The innocent man lost his job when he couldn’t work for a week. Depending on his situation he could miss rent and be evi…

This also showcases how innocent until proven guilty is not honored at all. Don't throw me in jail just because you're investigating me, throw me in jail if I run off out of town or do something sketchy to interfere with the investigation. If I am not guilty I wont be running out of town, but I sure wont be talking to you without a lawyer no matter what[0]. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

I think this problem is best solved by requiring that the state make amends for arrests which turn out to be incorrect. You lose your job? State funds two months of severance (more if there’s an economic downturn and it’s harder to find a job). Evicted? State provides relocation assistance. Etc. this would also probably be a great disincentive for false arrests. Of course there could be unintended consequences, including the state putting more effort to make square pegs fit in round holes.

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You can turn off the collection of location data for Google. [1] You can also delete old location data. Google is saying that they won’t collect location data unless you opt-in but I’d assume most people just click on “Okay” once when asked to. Of course nobody really knows if Google honors your settings. [1] - https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/3118687?hl=en

>You can turn off the collection of location data for Google. If you have an android phone, please try turning off the location service and see what happens. The sheer number of dark patterns google uses to get you to turn it back on is illuminating. I remember in the early versions of android, you could turn on/off the gps from the lock screen. Then one day it went away and was only available once the phone was unlo…

I don't think that's really the case.

I can unlock my phone (probably already unlocked anyways), swipe down the status bar and tap an icon to disable location services.

The first time I get a pop up that apps won't be able to use my location and that's it. It won't ask again, and it's a matter of 2 seconds.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can turn off the collection of location data for Google. [1] You can also delete old location data. Google is saying that they won’t collect location data unless you opt-in but I’d assume most people just click on “Okay” once when asked to. Of course nobody really knows if Google honors your settings. [1] - https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/3118687?hl=en

>You can turn off the collection of location data for Google. If you have an android phone, please try turning off the location service and see what happens. The sheer number of dark patterns google uses to get you to turn it back on is illuminating. I remember in the early versions of android, you could turn on/off the gps from the lock screen. Then one day it went away and was only available once the phone was unlo…

Fortunately I do not use android. I’m using iOS with no iCloud and Location Services are turned off as well.

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I turned off almost all tracking in Android a while ago, but never scanned the data it collected. I recently looked at what data was associated with my Google account, and there I saw: every voice command I ever issued my phone, and when I used what app. I could see at 9:30am I opened my camera app. I can see I viewed a notification at 9:45am. And so on. I deleted it all, but my guess is it probably still lives somew…

In addition to this, if the data exists, at some point in the future it will be compromised. The only way to avoid this is to not collect it. And to anyone who says “I have nothing to hide” — imagine your worst enemy having all this information about you easily searchable with the intention to weaponize it for their purpose.

I would guess that most of the people not worried because they have nothing to hide don't have a worst enemy.

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I turned off almost all tracking in Android a while ago, but never scanned the data it collected. I recently looked at what data was associated with my Google account, and there I saw: every voice command I ever issued my phone, and when I used what app. I could see at 9:30am I opened my camera app. I can see I viewed a notification at 9:45am. And so on. I deleted it all, but my guess is it probably still lives somew…

They track and consume and correlate/associate everything. That is their business: they sell their ability to know everything about you to anyone willing to pay for that information. All of their products feed into their core business. Google is the most invasive and predatory attack on privacy ever; by no small margin.

>they sell their ability to know everything about you to anyone willing to pay for that information

Can you prove this? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and that's a real whopper of a claim.

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I installed NoRoot Firewall, it has a "Access Log" tab, that logs all connections (allowed or block). My phone just didn't shut up'. Every other second some app (that wasn't in the foreground) was talking to some IP. My battery was getting slaughtered and my privacy as well. I proceeded to disable the "Run in background" almost every application, kept only a handful that are really needed (e.g. Signal). Since then my…

Can anyone recommend a good alternative for iOS to do just this?

Just go into Settings and disable "Background App Refresh" for all the apps you don't want running in the background. And also check your Battery section to see which apps use the battery the most.

I'm a recent convert to iOS (I've used Android for 7+ years) and I find that it "phones home" a lot less than Android. You can easily run a Wireshark and confirm it yourself.

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/google/idle-android-ph...

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Great to see a big follow up on the story which was first reported by a local news outlet in North Carolina: https://www.wral.com/Raleigh-police-search-google-location-h...

I remember it being reported the same time as the Cambridge Analytica scandal broke out (literally the same week IIRC) and getting almost no notice, despite being, in my mind, a story with far greater implications about our privacy.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They track and consume and correlate/associate everything. That is their business: they sell their ability to know everything about you to anyone willing to pay for that information. All of their products feed into their core business. Google is the most invasive and predatory attack on privacy ever; by no small margin.

>they sell their ability to know everything about you to anyone willing to pay for that information Can you prove this? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and that's a real whopper of a claim.

It's not an extraordinary claim, it's literally what google claim to do by selling targeted ads.

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Even without Google or Apple, they police have the cell service providers. In the case of the Austin bomber from a year ago[0], police got cell tower records from the multiple bombings and figured out who was at all the locations. Cell phones are little trackers unless you turn them off or don't carry one. [0] https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna85...

Next level analysis could take into account which/whose phones are (untypically) switched off when the bombs went off. Next next level would take into account phones that are "left at home" - where the phone is not in use and not moving around according to usual movement patterns. I would guess that there is already substantial research done on exactly this, and that it is possible to detect many deviations of normal…

What are the typical movement patterns for a phone at home? Mine is usually sitting on a particular spot on my desk.
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