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Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by lazyjones »

wil421 wrote: post #91
gpjanik wrote: post #56

I hate how Tesla advertises Model 3 as a 35k$ car. In Germany, the cheapest, bare bone version of it is around 60 000 (53k euro). At this price point, it doesn't make much sense, it's just better to get a car like Merc E Class.

Tesla’s price is $35k but your country adds hefty taxes. I was in Germany last year talking about a 5 series rental my coworker upgraded to. I was pretty shocked when they said it was over €100k. I pulled up the same car for about $60k at my local dealer in the states and that price is before bargaining. Pick it up in Munich and you can save 5%. Companies in the US don’t post prices including taxes in almost all case…

> Tesla’s price is $35k but your country adds hefty taxes.

No, they sell different models in Germany. The cheapest model available in Germany currently is the LR AWD, which costs $48K in the US.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by gpjanik »

wil421 wrote: post #91
gpjanik wrote: post #56

I hate how Tesla advertises Model 3 as a 35k$ car. In Germany, the cheapest, bare bone version of it is around 60 000 (53k euro). At this price point, it doesn't make much sense, it's just better to get a car like Merc E Class.

Tesla’s price is $35k but your country adds hefty taxes. I was in Germany last year talking about a 5 series rental my coworker upgraded to. I was pretty shocked when they said it was over €100k. I pulled up the same car for about $60k at my local dealer in the states and that price is before bargaining. Pick it up in Munich and you can save 5%. Companies in the US don’t post prices including taxes in almost all case…

That's true, but the numbers still don't add up without VAT and other taxes. Without VAT and including the incentive (2k euro) it's around 43k euro which is 48k USD.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by jhalstead »

natch wrote: post #98
sailfast wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For a Model 3 even with readily available charging that still means ~1 hour waiting on a supercharger per charge, and you've gotta do that 2-3x to get from, say, Amsterdam to Kitzbuhel for a skiing road trip. Figure 15 Euro minimum to use the charger during that time? (I'm using range numbers and charging costs available on the web to run this calculation) I know it's _possible_ to get somewhere without range anxiety…

I drove from San Diego to SF in one of my many long trips and most of my charging stops were 10 minutes. I also had two 20 minute stops, one 30 minute, and one 15 minute. The 30 minute stop was near the end where I wanted to arrive home near half full. Food, checking out local shops, and coffee + bathroom break for those three longer stops. For the short stops, it was just get a bit of charge, maybe a quick stretch o…

Correct me if I misunderstood (or read things too literally), but you're saying you stopped more than 8 times in a 500 mile trip? That seems like a lot, especially if they were for recharging. But I don't know the charging rate so maybe it was a case of many short sessions vs. 1 or 2 long ones?

Note: I got >8 because you said most stops were 10-min and then listed 4 stops longer than 10-min.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by kurthr »

reilly3000 wrote: post #111

Non-Tesla owner here with some questions: - are there ever times when there aren’t enough charging stations free due to other Teslas tying them up? - do you find yourself chatting with fellow Tesla owners while charging? - are the superchargers free to use?

Answers:

Yes, but you can see how many chargers there are available (and max charge rate) before you go. Usually, you charge at home/work.

Yes, sometimes it's just car talk, but sometimes it's more interesting... you've got 10-15min or so to relax.

Depends on whether you're grandfathered in (or paid for it upfront), but for most people still yes. However, if you stay plugged in after charging you will get billed (~$1/min if it's full!).

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by eclipxe »

g-erson wrote: post #123
gibolt wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not performance. And your Merc E won't get better with time.

Why would a Tesla?

Regular software updates that add significant new features. Dashcam, dog mode, sentry mode, summon, etc.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by wil421 »

lazyjones wrote: post #121
wil421 wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla’s price is $35k but your country adds hefty taxes. I was in Germany last year talking about a 5 series rental my coworker upgraded to. I was pretty shocked when they said it was over €100k. I pulled up the same car for about $60k at my local dealer in the states and that price is before bargaining. Pick it up in Munich and you can save 5%. Companies in the US don’t post prices including taxes in almost all case…

> Tesla’s price is $35k but your country adds hefty taxes. No, they sell different models in Germany. The cheapest model available in Germany currently is the LR AWD, which costs $48K in the US.

I was only going by what price the OP commented. They announced the 35k price in the US but only recently started production I believe the base model is 6 months away for Europe.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by wutangson1 »

dmoy wrote: post #96
wutangson1 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"That doesn't make it not obviously worse for the task than an automatic" what in the lawerly language are you trying to say?

Driving stick in traffic really sucks by comparison to an automatic.

Thank you. I suppose for me the 'cognitive load' of parsing whole parenthetical phrases and double negatives is more taxing than shifting from 2nd gear back into neutral.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by gibolt »

reilly3000 wrote: post #111

Non-Tesla owner here with some questions: - are there ever times when there aren’t enough charging stations free due to other Teslas tying them up? - do you find yourself chatting with fellow Tesla owners while charging? - are the superchargers free to use?

Charging throughput was recently bumped to 150 kW for Model 3 and a bit less for other models. It essentially halves the total time any car stays there, doubling daily capacity. A full station was already rare, this change helps keep pace as demand grows.

I've chatted with a few others, helped a few people who were there for the first time go through the process. Everyone is pleasant and generally excited, unlike any one during a petrol station visit.

S and X get free charging. Some 3s have 1000 miles free if using a referral code

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by hcal »

reilly3000 wrote: post #111

Non-Tesla owner here with some questions: - are there ever times when there aren’t enough charging stations free due to other Teslas tying them up? - do you find yourself chatting with fellow Tesla owners while charging? - are the superchargers free to use?

- are there ever times when there aren’t enough charging stations free due to other Teslas tying them up?

It happens. I use them maybe once a month for the last year and I've only had to wait once. It cost me 10 minutes or so. If you're unlucky you might live near a particularly crowded supercharge and have longer waits. I think the vast majority of owners charge at home 90+% of the time.

- do you find yourself chatting with fellow Tesla owners while charging? Some people hang around their cars while they charge but I tend to grab a coffee or do some shopping. The chargers are usually near at least a coffee shop if not an entire mall. With the exception of the occasional long trip, I'm usually not staying long.

-are the superchargers free to use For some people. My model 3 didn't come with free supercharging but a lot of the chargers are sponsored by the local mall (I've seen a few tourist centers with free charging too). The only time I've paid it cost about $6 for a roughly 75% charge (200 to 240 miles).

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