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Re: Thousands of Russians protest against internet restrictions

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Post by dang »

kikimora wrote: post #114
stebann wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, Russian Government is doing this because US and its allies are threatening all legitimate governments around the world. They want to impose their puppets. Look at what's happening in Venezuela. People in Venezuela is suffering beacuse of US sanctions and war threats, but the news are always that "the Dictatorship don't let people eat".

I love comment rating systems because they limit effect of paid comments like this one.

You can't attack another user by insinuating shilling without evidence. This is in the site guidelines, and we ban accounts that do it. Please don't do it again, regardless of how strongly you disagree with someone.

Years of moderating this highly international forum has taught us that when people convince themselves that someone is faking their view, it's usually projection.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Thousands of Russians protest against internet restrictions

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Post by rstuart4133 »

amai wrote: post #105
egao1980 wrote: post #62

Russian here. Few points: - Root DNS and most of the cloud providers are in US jurisdiction. US declared Russia as top 3 enemy and applies random 'sanctions'; - Russian (and EU) laws require companies to store citizen's personal information locally; - many lazy developers and service providers relied on AWS/GCP thus breaking the law. Telegram blocking attempt has shown that even some government resources are hosted o…

No plans to cut off from the internet? This was in the news a few days ago: "Russia plans to test a kill switch that disconnects the country from the internet" https://techcrunch.com/2019/02/11/russia-internet-turn-off-d...

To be fair that article says pretty much what the OP says. They want to ensure the country keeps functioning if it is cut off from the internet.

On one level I sort of understand. My own country would stuffed for a short while if DNS in particular went down. It's not just the internet - the phone system, a lot of TV and god knows what else would be in real trouble.

But on the another level, fixing it would just require DNAT'ing a bunch of IP's. If it happened (and it seems like a big if) it would be mostly over after 24 hours of mad scrambling. If you were paranoid enough to want to have everything in place you could try doing the DNAT on small sections, see what broke and what it didn't effect because packets will still flying out, and fix it without inflicting a worse case cyber war outcome on the entire country.

From a western perspective, the cost / benefit of what they are proposing seems way out of kilter. Maybe it is politicly reasonable thing to do in Russia, but in the west a whole sections of society (business, sporting associations, professions) would be willing to put in a few dollars to ensure whosever idea it was would never hold the reigns of power again.

Re: Thousands of Russians protest against internet restrictions

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Post by anticodon »

liberte82 wrote: post #117
ativzzz wrote: post #94

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> they're on a payroll from some non-Russian agency or NGO. At this point, I would be incredibly surprised if any country in the world wasn't engaged in some sort of online trolling/fake news dissemination on either the global (e.g. Russia vs US vs China) or local (internal politics) scale. It's the best way to spread propaganda while making it seem as real as possible.

And once you propagandize the population successfully enough, they'll carry on without you

Exactly, as can be easily seen by the score of my comments. I'm 99% sure the downvotes are coming from the supporters of the Russian opposition (fanboys of Alexei Navalny, in particular).

Re: Thousands of Russians protest against internet restrictions

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Post by jamespo »

rzerda wrote: post #92
jamespo wrote: post #78

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Doesn't Russia operate the authoritative servers for .ru ?

TLD servers are useless without root ones. There are several replicas of K-root in Russia, but they are under control of RIPE (EU organization).

How are they useless in terms of "if US decides to cut Russia from DNS national services including government sites should continue to function"

What TLD are these sites hosted on?

Re: Thousands of Russians protest against internet restrictions

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Post by rzerda »

jamespo wrote: post #124
rzerda wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TLD servers are useless without root ones. There are several replicas of K-root in Russia, but they are under control of RIPE (EU organization).

How are they useless in terms of "if US decides to cut Russia from DNS national services including government sites should continue to function" What TLD are these sites hosted on?

TLD servers for .ru zone can answer questions like “who should I ask where kremlin.ru is?”, but before that there is a question “where .ru zone DNS servers are”, and that’s what root servers are supposed to answer. If - hypothetically - all root servers will answer “oh, .ru zone is served by that guy in Washington DC”, no DNS resolver would ask “real” .ru servers because list of root servers is effectively hard coded and changing it on all clients is a lot of work.
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