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Berlin Builds Ideas to Stage a Housing Revolution

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Everyone and their cat wants to live as close as humanly possible to the hip center of the hip city. But of course, they literally do not want to pay the price. Why is there a vegan bakery specialized in Afghan Bagel[1] around the corner? Because there are enough hip, young professionals to pay for even the most unlikely specialty. Business can afford to cater to the most extraordinary taste, but only because there a…

> Due to the limits of public transportation Fix this. People live within n time of where they want to be. If people can travel faster then the space within n time can be greater. This is the key to Tokyo and other very large metropolis cities. Have public transport offer high speed and frequent rail routes, and then many local solutions from cycling, walking, buses, trams.

The more you invest in public transportation, the higher the rents will be.

Re: Berlin Builds Ideas to Stage a Housing Revolution

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Not a hard limit. Just progressive tax that makes owning much real estate very expensive and in effect unprofitable.

Why wouldn't everyone's rent increase by whatever that tax is? There's already an incentive to create additional density, money. More units, more money. If there's some tax that the owner also has to account for that changes nothing. It's no different than any other increase in overhead. It just gets passed on.

> Why wouldn't everyone's rent increase by whatever that tax is?

Because the tax is progressive, which means is not equal for all landlords, which means if big landlords increased their rent by their tax then nobody would rent from them because smaller landlords would have smaller rents thanks to smaller tax.

This way large landlords no longer find owning real estate profitable and relocate their capital away from real estate market towards stock market or wherever where it is hopefully less harmful to other players.

Less capital with same number of units drives the price down. More people can afford to own vs rent, so they buy and rent drops further because of lower demand. Ultimately everything lands on new equilibrium of lower rents with government having nice pile of cash on their hands free to use it to whatever new public housing development it fancies, driving prices even lower by increasing supply.

Re: Berlin Builds Ideas to Stage a Housing Revolution

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Not a hard limit. Just progressive tax that makes owning much real estate very expensive and in effect unprofitable.

Tax is not policy and not punishment. Get over that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin_tax

Not every discouragement is punishment.

Re: Berlin Builds Ideas to Stage a Housing Revolution

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4. I think you forgot "build taller"? " it is ironic how the modern urban population that is so quick to assign blame for climate change (to car owners, carnivores), social injustice (to white men, preferably older), or simply a lack of mobile network coverage fails to understand their own contribution to the problems of a modern city." What are you talking about? Cars ARE half the problems of a modern city. Car owne…

Good plan. More people per square meter. That means you have shorter ways and switch your congestion from the road or the subway to the elevator in your apartment complex. Might even be better for climate but does not sound like a better way of live. If you want to remove car ownership you should try to provide an alternative that is actually better. If you want to avoid congestion, don't create a massive black hole…

What's wrong with more people per square meter? Some of us like living in dense cities that you can navigate by walking and public transit.

Re: Berlin Builds Ideas to Stage a Housing Revolution

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Regulate behaviour, not ownership. If you want landlords to behave better, then rather than keeping them small, stick limits on what they can do.

Yeah, that was my impression when reading the article as well. If the problem is that new landlords are raising the rent by inordinate amounts, maybe that is what you should restrict instead. Though I’m not really opposed to breaking up big landlords either, it feels a bit disingenuous to punish people (or companies) for success.

> landlords are raising the rent by inordinate amounts

Landlords dont raise rents. Rents are the result of supply and demand just like everything else, and a price is where a buyer and a seller meet.

Controlling prices is preventing that exchange.

Re: Berlin Builds Ideas to Stage a Housing Revolution

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Looking at the problem from a game theory perspective, it looks like this to me: Ambitious people want to live as close to as many other ambitious people as possible. So wherever the density of these 'Hipsters' or 'Cool People' increases, the desirability of the area increases. And by law of supply and demand, prices go up. The willingness and ability to pay higher rent decides who can live in those 'cool areas'. Now…

Very interesting point, and comparison to social media. It seems to me that if most of the users of Facebook, Reddit, etc, were to band together and leave to somewhere they get a better deal - then the value of those sites would effectively become zero. If they could just wield it well, they have massive bargaining power in those relationships. But the cost of organizing such groups, building a new suitably-featured site, and moving there is a large limiting factor. The same relationship could be extended to most networks - including city/housing networks. But staging this mutiny on social media sounds tough enough - in real life real estate, I imagine it's nearly impossible! As such, landowners get a hefty upper hand, and there's not much power the tenants can wield in that negotiation - even if they do collectively provide most of the real estate value of a property.

That said... what if this bias in network effects isn't eternal, and we humans just haven't been very good at group organization so far? I can imagine a userbase mad enough at Facebook might pick a date a year from now, get everyone they possibly can to sign up to leave on that day, and mass-migrate to an equivalent site with similar features (which doesn't farm $250 a year off each person in data - or at least gives those funds back to the user). With smart contracts to ensure commitment to the move, it could even be a fully-funded and well-organized migration - which might even have negotiation options to abort if Facebook met their demands. People would probably even do it just for the spectacle/coolness factor of being part of such a big rebellion. It's a bit of a pipe dream, sure, but it's conceivable something like this could happen. And let's face it, other than the data/hosting challenges, most of these big social media sites aren't doing anything that difficult to replicate. Hell, I'd go so far as to say almost any company worth the big bucks is mainly being priced on brand and network effects (minus IP/asset ownership). If the networks underlying this got better at organizing and moving/threatening-to-move to alternatives, they could eat that value and pass it down to consumers. Hell, it might even work out that they could be paid to use these services.

The city/housing space is one I'd imagine would be wayyy slower to benefit from any of these potential consumer unions technologies due to physicality constraints, but I imagine it too could be translated into these mutinys. e.g. People could agree to leave a city en-masse to a new one with better (pre-negotiated) rent/ownership prices, leaving the old city high and dry in a bubble-bursting scenario. Of course we don't see this now - or at least, not in any organized form, just an economic drying-up when e.g. a factory closes and tenants can't afford their rent. But perhaps it's possible in the future as mobility, communication and coordination increase? Who knows.

Re: Berlin Builds Ideas to Stage a Housing Revolution

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Everyone and their cat wants to live as close as humanly possible to the hip center of the hip city. But of course, they literally do not want to pay the price. Why is there a vegan bakery specialized in Afghan Bagel[1] around the corner? Because there are enough hip, young professionals to pay for even the most unlikely specialty. Business can afford to cater to the most extraordinary taste, but only because there a…

> Everyone and their cat wants to live as close as humanly possible to the hip center of the hip city

No, people want to live near their jobs. If we build enough office s for X people and in order to find X home, you have to include places more than an hour away then you're going to fuck up housing prices.

Re: Berlin Builds Ideas to Stage a Housing Revolution

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I've lived in Berlin for 10 years now. I moved into my place 10 years ago this month and the rent would definitely go up without the rigid German laws to prevent exactly that. By at least about 30-40% I would estimate. That's walking distance from major landmarks like the Alexanderplatz, the Berliner Dom, and the synagogue on Oranienburgerstrasse. I pay a lot by Berlin standards but I live dirt cheap by any other sta…

> a lot of the housing shortage is artificial and it has a lot to do with the local legislation that is designed to conserve the status quo

Visit San Francisco for where this ends up.

Re: Berlin Builds Ideas to Stage a Housing Revolution

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It's horrible. They do everything to prevent more housing from being built.

The fact is, the city is just popular, so people are moving in, which drives the prices up.

The government of Berlin consists of incompetent socialists. Just look at the disaster of the new airport for a popular example. Please don't take any cues from them. They only persist because Berlin get's a lot of subsidies from the rest of the country.

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