Really seems ridiculous.....
Nestle, Disney Pull YouTube Ads, Joining Furor Over Child Videos
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#122>On Sunday, Matt Watson, a video blogger, posted a 20-minute clip detailing how comments on YouTube were used to identify certain videos in which young girls were in activities that could be construed as sexually suggestive, such as posing in front of a mirror and doing gymnastics. I looked at some of the videos that appeared in his report and it's basically family videos of young girls, the same kind of videos my ow…
As much as I'm not a fan of "big govt" in many cases, I hope there is legislation that prohibits parents from sharing photos, videos, etc. of their kids publicly (e.g. a public IG account, a public YT channel) without consent (e.g. meaning the child would have to be of an age where they can even legally give consent). Children have the right to privacy, and it is crazy how many parents do not think twice before shari…
Wouldn't that also ban child actors? Also, a lot of famous Youtubers like Mark Rober show their kids or newphews playing around with their latest experiment. Most people would consider banning these videos reactionary.
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#123>On Sunday, Matt Watson, a video blogger, posted a 20-minute clip detailing how comments on YouTube were used to identify certain videos in which young girls were in activities that could be construed as sexually suggestive, such as posing in front of a mirror and doing gymnastics. I looked at some of the videos that appeared in his report and it's basically family videos of young girls, the same kind of videos my ow…
The problem is not the videos being there, its the advertisments next to them.
Youtube simply needs to move to a proper gatekeeping model around monetisation, requiring human review and biannual review checks. Start it at 10,000 subscribers to avoid being overwhelmed. Prompt once-off approval for 'viral' trending videos from new channels (even if the advertising money goes completely to Youtube).
The internet is maturing and existing gatekeeping models are too lax. Same thing with games allowed onto Steam. Now any idiot with a phone can upload something - previously you needed a computer and decent knowledge to do that.
Limiting new uploads from new accounts to 720p30 max until they hit 1,000 subs or pay a $100 'starter fee' will save on storage and processing fees.
I don't understand why Youtube (and other tech platforms) sets the barriers to entry so low, then inundate themselves with work. Simply raise the barriers until your human-approval processes can handle the volume.
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#124>On Sunday, Matt Watson, a video blogger, posted a 20-minute clip detailing how comments on YouTube were used to identify certain videos in which young girls were in activities that could be construed as sexually suggestive, such as posing in front of a mirror and doing gymnastics. I looked at some of the videos that appeared in his report and it's basically family videos of young girls, the same kind of videos my ow…
A lot of the videos he shows seem like they're mostly Ukrainian, some Eastern European or Russian. Are there different social standards where parents there just don't care as much if their kids post this stuff?
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#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
Lets be specific. My first question -- so, 12 y.o. girl being dressed in police uniform and acting like in an opening of a cheesy porn movie is your definition of "just kids having fun"?
I haven't suggested a definition of where to draw the line, it's exactly what I'm asking. Is that video sexual content? And how would you suggest encoding it in a policy change? Obviously, "I'll know it when I see it" doesn't scale.
Why must it scale? Laws don't have to scale.
That the solution must scale algorithmically is purely for the convenience of the site, and for matters of law and taste nothing but an excuse.
Even having different countries with different laws and standards doesn't scale. So what?
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#126This just seems ridiculous. I post a lot of videos of my daughter to share with my family and friends, and generally don't care who looks at them any more than I care who looks at her (or what they are thinking) when we are in public. I've gotten a couple creepy comments here and there from random people who found them. (the comments weren't overtly sexual though, but I deleted them anyway) Here's an example of a har…
> The thing is, even if someone is a perv and gets off on this sort of thing, it isn't endangering her. Careful with that idea, it's some pretty enablist shit, and you most frequently hear it coming from the perverts themselves.
What matters is if it is wrong or not, not who says it.
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#127>On Sunday, Matt Watson, a video blogger, posted a 20-minute clip detailing how comments on YouTube were used to identify certain videos in which young girls were in activities that could be construed as sexually suggestive, such as posing in front of a mirror and doing gymnastics. I looked at some of the videos that appeared in his report and it's basically family videos of young girls, the same kind of videos my ow…
The problem is not the videos being there, its the advertisments next to them. Youtube simply needs to move to a proper gatekeeping model around monetisation, requiring human review and biannual review checks. Start it at 10,000 subscribers to avoid being overwhelmed. Prompt once-off approval for 'viral' trending videos from new channels (even if the advertising money goes completely to Youtube). The internet is matu…
and really if you don't intent to have ads run on your content, you shouldn't use Youtube. Setup a Peertube instance. YouTube is just too big and content creators that are up and coming should see if they can take control over their content instead of depending on Google, which is just a new version of NBC/CBS/ABC at this point.
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#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
Youtube is not facebook, and judging by the continued neglect of youtube's comment system I doubt their ability to add fine grained privacy control, especially since they abandoned Google+ integration. This isn't a new problem as their comment subsystem has been a usability nightmare in years. When a comment thread geta to a certain length, following the conversation and pinging specific replies become increasingly d…
Both a usability nightmare and a sanity nightmare. The content of the comments there is about as bad as facebook's. To be honest if they removed the ability to comment then nothing of value would be lost.
The opinion people have of youtube comments says a lot about what sort of videos they probably watch. You hear the sentiments echoed by the creators that run different sort of channels too.
Some people think youtube comments are complete trash. They usually watch videos of very large channels. Other people think youtube comments are dull but not particularly horrible but rarely insightful. It's common to hear this about channels with a million subscribers or less. But below 100,000 subscribers, in the long-tail of youtube, you'll often find that content creators enjoy having reasonably constructive conversations with their viewers in the comments.
There are always exceptions, but these are the general trends I've noticed.
Examples of the first category, the very large channels, are easy to find. Pewdiepie, and anybody like him, have awful comment sections and I think everybody knows it. I subscribe to several very small channels with only hundreds or thousands of subscribers that have great comment sections, but you'll have to excuse me for not sharing them here. In the middle range, I can give you a few examples. Matthias Wandel (woodworking) and Forgotten Weapons (history and overview of rare/historical firearms) both recently passed 1 million. Their comment sections are rarely insightful, but typically not offensively bad. Mostly just people making the same obvious joke over and over again, or people trying and failing to be insightful.
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#129>On Sunday, Matt Watson, a video blogger, posted a 20-minute clip detailing how comments on YouTube were used to identify certain videos in which young girls were in activities that could be construed as sexually suggestive, such as posing in front of a mirror and doing gymnastics. I looked at some of the videos that appeared in his report and it's basically family videos of young girls, the same kind of videos my ow…
The recommendation algorithm should distinguish between viewers who happen upon a video like this once in a while and viewers who binge-watch them, and disregard the latter when putting together input for the algorithm that determines what shows up in people's "Watch Next" sidebars.
They could also detect links to compromising timestamps in the comments, take them down, and shut down the accounts that post them. It's not particularly challenging.
(I used to work as an engineer on YouTube's abuse team many years ago.)
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#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
As much as I'm not a fan of "big govt" in many cases, I hope there is legislation that prohibits parents from sharing photos, videos, etc. of their kids publicly (e.g. a public IG account, a public YT channel) without consent (e.g. meaning the child would have to be of an age where they can even legally give consent). Children have the right to privacy, and it is crazy how many parents do not think twice before shari…
Wouldn't that also ban child actors? Also, a lot of famous Youtubers like Mark Rober show their kids or newphews playing around with their latest experiment. Most people would consider banning these videos reactionary.
I think you could apply for exceptions like you would for child actors (e.g. whatever law allows them to get around child labor laws)
Point is there should be a way to limit public sharing of photos and videos without a child's consent. There should be a good reason, beyond a parent's own narcissism.