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Re: Google backtracks on Chrome modifications that would have crippled ad blockers

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Post by ardy42 »

feanaro wrote: post #54
Tsubasachan wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my opinion its not really a conspiracy. People at Google are so far up their own ass that they don't understand the importance of content blockers. Personally I just can't deal with websites without ublock modifying them.

Depends on what you consider a "conspiracy". The word "conspiracy" sounds unnecessarily controversial and mysterious. It seems plausible and probable to me that there are economic motivating factors at play.

A conspiracy is just more than one person getting together to plan to do something wrong or illegal.

Re: Google backtracks on Chrome modifications that would have crippled ad blockers

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Post by ardy42 »

chillydawg wrote: post #77
XorNot wrote: post #71

Someone pointed out that every Chrome user got that way because a techie got them off Internet Explorer... and those same people can just as easily get them onto Firefox.

That was the original reason, yes. Now Chrome is installed by default on tons of new laptops etc because Google makes so much money by tracking users via Chrome that they can pay serious $$ to manufacturers to tweak their base build.

>> Someone pointed out that every Chrome user got that way because a techie got them off Internet Explorer... and those same people can just as easily get them onto Firefox.

> That was the original reason, yes. Now Chrome is installed by default on tons of new laptops etc

So Chrome is the new IE now, and the GP comment stands.

Re: Google backtracks on Chrome modifications that would have crippled ad blockers

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Post by isoskeles »

pgt wrote: post #58

Every year Stallman sounds less crazy. I used to think it didn't matter what tools I chose as a lone developer making consumer tech products and DSP audio applications. But over time, I saw that consumers rely on frontier-makers more than you think, even though they may lag behind by a few years. I reluctantly switched to Firefox because it still has add-ons and since Chrome's web tools are so good. With Mozilla's Ru…

I tried switching to Firefox about two years ago and went straight back to Chrome because it was so slow. It would lag when I opened a new tab and started typing to get to another site. Many times, the first few characters off a hostname or search would get dropped.

Tried again about six months ago, and I haven't looked back. Firefox is great again. Not sure if the Rust adoption happened between those two points in time.

I still have to use Chrome for Hangouts for work. And still trying to figure out a way around this.

Re: Google backtracks on Chrome modifications that would have crippled ad blockers

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Post by justanother- »

j16sdiz wrote: post #103
Vogtinator wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> With Mozilla's Rust adoption, Firefox got fast. Those are unrelated.

Most of recent Firefox performance come from parelelization in servo. Mozilla research said rush enabled them doing safe multuthreading.

I can do safe multithreading in c++ at any time. But I will sit down with a solution for a while before I even start coding. Might even take more time than writting the code. I will outperform the Rust even if I will use inline assembly. Rust is the same as everything else. A good enough alternative for people incapable of understanding software development beyond copy pasting code from internet. And everyone else is too rare and expensive to hire him.

And today "good enough" developers are harder to find than "good enough" language.

Today no one is prepared to pay for quality thats why everything us bellow average, not only development, every single product you find.

Actually it is funny the people are prepared to pay more for hype than quality.

Wait a few more years and Rust will be "too hard to use".

At the end javascript idiocracy will prevail.

Buying Getoraid stocks, in 20 years they will be worth more than gold. Coz it has electrolytes.

Re: Google backtracks on Chrome modifications that would have crippled ad blockers

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Post by totony »

isoskeles wrote: post #124
pgt wrote: post #58

Every year Stallman sounds less crazy. I used to think it didn't matter what tools I chose as a lone developer making consumer tech products and DSP audio applications. But over time, I saw that consumers rely on frontier-makers more than you think, even though they may lag behind by a few years. I reluctantly switched to Firefox because it still has add-ons and since Chrome's web tools are so good. With Mozilla's Ru…

I tried switching to Firefox about two years ago and went straight back to Chrome because it was so slow. It would lag when I opened a new tab and started typing to get to another site. Many times, the first few characters off a hostname or search would get dropped. Tried again about six months ago, and I haven't looked back. Firefox is great again. Not sure if the Rust adoption happened between those two points in t…

IIRC hangout works with firefox if you spoof user agent

Re: Google backtracks on Chrome modifications that would have crippled ad blockers

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Post by isoskeles »

totony wrote: post #127
isoskeles wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried switching to Firefox about two years ago and went straight back to Chrome because it was so slow. It would lag when I opened a new tab and started typing to get to another site. Many times, the first few characters off a hostname or search would get dropped. Tried again about six months ago, and I haven't looked back. Firefox is great again. Not sure if the Rust adoption happened between those two points in t…

IIRC hangout works with firefox if you spoof user agent

Thanks! I'll try that.

Re: Google backtracks on Chrome modifications that would have crippled ad blockers

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Post by wlesieutre »

isoskeles wrote: post #124
pgt wrote: post #58

Every year Stallman sounds less crazy. I used to think it didn't matter what tools I chose as a lone developer making consumer tech products and DSP audio applications. But over time, I saw that consumers rely on frontier-makers more than you think, even though they may lag behind by a few years. I reluctantly switched to Firefox because it still has add-ons and since Chrome's web tools are so good. With Mozilla's Ru…

I tried switching to Firefox about two years ago and went straight back to Chrome because it was so slow. It would lag when I opened a new tab and started typing to get to another site. Many times, the first few characters off a hostname or search would get dropped. Tried again about six months ago, and I haven't looked back. Firefox is great again. Not sure if the Rust adoption happened between those two points in t…

There have been a lot of incremental changes, but the big one was "Firefox Quantum" in November 2017

https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/11/14/introducing-firefox...

Re: Google backtracks on Chrome modifications that would have crippled ad blockers

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Post by paulryanrogers »

yogthos wrote: post #114
Silhouette wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difficulty is that many of those examples are also doing useful things that the more open/free alternatives aren't. We are developing an unfortunate dichotomy between commercially supported, closed ecosystems with lock-in and rapid update cycles that provide superior functionality and more community-driven, open ecosystems with standards and future-proofing but inferior functionality. If the open versions aren't…

That's the choice we each have to make for ourselves. Be a serf in corporate walled garden for short term convenience, or help build and improve the open ecosystem so it can catch up.

> Be a serf in corporate walled garden for short term convenience...

There is a spectrum from the cathedral to the bazaar. And there are only so many hours in the day. You could become a serf to principles, spending time others have for social activities or relaxing instead on maintaining a purely libre work flow.

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