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Re: Gmail Services Global Outage

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We managed to centralize everything, email, git, even the web. I understand 99.99 looks fine, but is somewhat sad to see half the world without email.

I understand why you say git is centralized, but I don’t think it’s accurate. I can work on git while github is offline, I just can’t share that work with others through github, but I can easily upload a repo and we can share it through another service.

At that point we only lose our issues list, etc.

Re: Gmail Services Global Outage

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post #15

Semi-related, but can anyone suggest good open source email client? I'm working on several computers with macos/linux and Gmail isn't slow only on my deep learning rig, so I'm looking for something to replace it.

I went through this process a few weeks ago when I was switching to Linux as my primary machine. There simply are no great open source options right now for email clients. Below are general summaries of my notes. Also, worth noting, most of these clients cannot handle Gmail's style of label handling. If you feel like dealing with terminal based and text only email, I'm sure Mutt is fine. I'm not sure this is realisti…

>Mailspring is the best open source option I discovered

Mailspring is not opensource, only the UI is. https://github.com/Foundry376/Mailspring/blob/master/ROADMAP...

Re: Gmail Services Global Outage

#123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have a misconception. Can you name a single internet service that has an actual five nines availability? That's definitely not google search nor gmail.

I never claimed Google has 5 9s. Your claim that 99.999% for Gmail means Google isn't a place we should go to for reliability advice is comical at best, ignorant at worst.

I couldn't make that claim, because Gmail is very far from 99.999%. I merely pointed out that SRE quote is wrong, that's the quality of reliability advice they give. I generalized it, because I've seen plenty of bad reliability advices coming from Google, even burned by some of them in the past.

If you are into reliability you really shouldn't take Google seriously.

Re: Gmail Services Global Outage

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post #33

Global does not mean "affecting absolutely everyone around the globe (or disc, for the flatearthers out there)". Affecting a "significant subset of users" that are spread around every continent is global and it shows it's not one specific DC, link, or ISP that was affected. The fact that you didn't experience the disruption means absolutely nothing and it's ridiculous to even suggest it does. Especially since there a…

Global outage implies everyone on the planet. Outages globally would imply what you've stated.

So global increases in wealth and global improvements in health mean every individual in the world is getting healthier and wealthier?

Re: Gmail Services Global Outage

#125
post #58

We managed to centralize everything, email, git, even the web. I understand 99.99 looks fine, but is somewhat sad to see half the world without email.

I believe Google (G Suite) only claims 99.9% - sounds small, is actually a huge difference. They typically achieve a better % but that is all they "guarantee". "Service Credit" means: (a) 10% of the total invoice charges for the affected month if the Monthly Uptime Percentage for any calendar month is between 99.0% and 99.9%; or (b) 25% of the total invoice charges for the affected month if the Monthly Uptime Percent…

For reference: over the course of a year, if you have an uptime of 99%, that means you are down for 3 days 15 hours per year. If you have 99.9% uptime, that means the downtime is roughly 9 hours per year. If you have 99.99% up, then the down is ~ 53 minutes per year. 99.999% then gives you ~5 minutes of down per year. 99.9999% will then give you ~31 seconds of downtime per year.

One thing to keep in mind is that for each 9 of uptime you have, add about two Zeros to the budget and increase the timeline by one time units up and then double it. So if 99% costs you $100 and a day of timeline on the project, then 99.9% will cost you $10,000 and two weeks of timeline, and 99.99% will cost you $1,000,000 and 4 months of timeline, and 99.999% will cost you $100,000,000 and 8 years of timeline, etc.

Re: Gmail Services Global Outage

#126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd be happy to move away from Gmail. Unfortunatelty, I happen to hate spam so that's not really an option.

I'd be happy to move away from Gmail. Unfortunatelty, I happen to hate spam so that's not really an option That was what kept me on GMail for so long. But about a month ago I moved several accounts to FastMail (at the urging of others on HN), and have been pleasantly surprised by the results. FM seems to have a lot fewer false positives, and the amount of spam that gets through seems only marginally more than with GM…

The calender/contact function in Fastmail is also worth mentioning, I moved from gmail once it was in place.

Re: Gmail Services Global Outage

#127
post #58

We managed to centralize everything, email, git, even the web. I understand 99.99 looks fine, but is somewhat sad to see half the world without email.

Those of us who run their own mail servers: what is your MTBF? That is, ignoring all other differences, from the standpoint of pure availability, how do you compare to popular centralized email services?

Just asking.

Re: Gmail Services Global Outage

#128
post #58

We managed to centralize everything, email, git, even the web. I understand 99.99 looks fine, but is somewhat sad to see half the world without email.

I understand why you say git is centralized, but I don’t think it’s accurate. I can work on git while github is offline, I just can’t share that work with others through github, but I can easily upload a repo and we can share it through another service. At that point we only lose our issues list, etc.

you don't need to upload it anywhere or use any other service...

just use git remotes

Re: Gmail Services Global Outage

#130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have a misconception. Can you name a single internet service that has an actual five nines availability? That's definitely not google search nor gmail.

I never claimed Google has 5 9s. Your claim that 99.999% for Gmail means Google isn't a place we should go to for reliability advice is comical at best, ignorant at worst.

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