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My Parents Are Flat Earthers

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Re: My Parents Are Flat Earthers

#121
post #33

I feel like the Flat Earth movement is, at it's core, a hack on the human mind. People want to feel important, and they want to feel in control. When the world is so large and uncaring, so horrible and meaningless, and people are so small and unimportant, a good conspiracy theory lets me be someone important . There are evil people out there who did this all to us, and now I get to know the truth . I get to be in bet…

I think Mark (Sherlock, League of Gentlemen, Doctor Who) Gatiss put it quite well - http://thebarofgold.tumblr.com/post/100646665073/gatissed-i-...

The problem with this stuff is it's all very amusing and cute until you end up with people that irrational making decisions about millions of people's lives.

Re: My Parents Are Flat Earthers

#122
post #59
post #33

I feel like the Flat Earth movement is, at it's core, a hack on the human mind. People want to feel important, and they want to feel in control. When the world is so large and uncaring, so horrible and meaningless, and people are so small and unimportant, a good conspiracy theory lets me be someone important . There are evil people out there who did this all to us, and now I get to know the truth . I get to be in bet…

Would it be fair to say the exact same thing about, say, Christianity, or any large scale religion? That, at it's core, it's a hack on the human mind, for people to feel important, to feel in control, when the world is so large and uncaring? Because to me, this burgeoning conspiracy culture (chemtrails, 5G, flat earth, etc etc) just feels like people utilising the same brain space that was once more used for religion…

If anyone is interested in this, I strongly recommend Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson, although I'm sure pretty much all geeks over a certain age have already read it. Religion, memetics, hackers, and the human mind are all tied up in a really good sci-fi book.

Re: My Parents Are Flat Earthers

#123
post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I struggle with Buddhism, only because while it is the only major religion that actually makes sense to me, I can't overcome the cultural disconnect as a white westerner, attempting to adopt ways of thinking which are so culturally different & abstract. Science at this juncture is the only method of looking at the world which appears rational to me, however unfortunately science doesn't have answers to the poetry of…

Religions are a combination of unbelievable fairy tales and rational teachings with thousands of years of deep thought about and iteration on how to make a better world. Secular ethical thought is still in its infancy and highly disjointed; and it's not clear that it's even possible to achieve what many religions have without the unbelievable fairy tales. Remember, as much as Buddhism might teach you to be... well, C…

Those fairy tales, I would bet that , if let's say for example Jesus, existed in reality as a person(not clear) He maybe didn't speak any of those fairy tales. They are inventions made by distorting and contorting what was originnaly said by the Thinker, most probably with malicious intentions.

Now there I am not clear, but in the case of Buddha, when he walked on earth(most probably true, if not already proven) I am even sure, and I dont like to say I am sure, because confidence is a two-edged blade, but all datapoints point to Buddha being probably very close to what we call an Atheist, and the rest was most probably added later as fairy tale.

A very good, I mean the best and most enlightening work ever written about Lamaism/Buddhism is probably that of the French Author Alexandra David Nell, That I have read decades ago, still remember her name, dont remember any of her books name, and Never found any mention of her existence again on Google or DDG or anywhere! Now everyone's DDG is the same, but as everyone's google is unique, if someone find any vestige of this French Author in his/her Search Engine, and can point us, I would be immensely , sincerely grateful, because I have been looking for it for decades now. Her writing still sounds like she believes in fairy tales, but in a pythonisical way(the best way :) she tells step by step all the non-metaphysical, philosofical serious explanation of each one of these concepts, that became fairy tales with time, unfortunately.

:late: How come the word "pythonisical" doesn't exist in English? Or my google is angry at me? Well...I hereby declare it's existance from now on, and, off couse, explain that this word is related to the smart and drug lover pretty girl(coincidentally!) that used to hang around the temple of Apolo in Delphi, and she was called by her close friends Pythia.

Re: My Parents Are Flat Earthers

#124
post #118
post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 'Being in a club with secret knowledge' doesn't fit the description of 'religion' very well, Why not? (I debated whether or not to include "religion" in my comment because the word is so laden with baggage, but ultimately decided that it was apt, so I am prepared to defend it if you really want to go down that rabbit hole.) > But 'flat earth' has to be the dumbest of all. Not even close. (Go read some Scientology l…

> Not even close. (Go read some Scientology literature, or the Book of Mormon.) Color me intrigued. Which statements in the book of Mormon do you believe are significantly more readily deniable than "the earth is flat" in some sense different that doesn't also apply to the statements in, say, the bible. Same question for Scientology.

Well, I could also point to the Bible, but I feel like I'm already pushing the boundaries of what is appropriate on HN.

In the case of the BoM it's not so much what's in the Book as the process by which it came to be written. Joseph Smith literally pulled it out of his hat! Also the ancillary beliefs that have grown up around it: Kolob, sacred underwear, institutionalized racism, polygamy...

In the case of Scientology, oh my goodness, where to even begin. The whole thing is just chock-full of weird. Thetans, Xenu, Clams... Just browse xenu.net.

Re: My Parents Are Flat Earthers

#125
post #69

This is the first time I'm hearing about Flat Earthers so a couple of questions according to these people, if anyone knows - genuinely curious (I don't want to search since then Google will start showing me some ads related to FE): 1) if the Earth is flat, then what is on the other side of the flat Earth - do people live there? 2) I'm assuming it's like a thick cylinder, if so how thick is the Earth? 3) depending on…

By the "standard model", thickness beyond whatever's necessary to make the pizza structurally sound (and allow mining and such) is immaterial. No-one lives on the sides, and there's nothing on the bottom. Or, alternately, the bottom extends infinitely to compensate for the complete lack of turtles. Take your pick - both work. Don't worry about the mass of the earth, since gravity isn't a thing; the appearance of gravity is due to density (somehow) or to the ever-accelerating vertical ascent of the Earth and the nice space-like ceiling and its lights and other decorations (moons and such). If there was any of that so-called "gravity" that NASA ordered Newton and Einstein to make up plausible math for, the Earth would either have to extend to an infinite plane (which does bad things for fitting the dome sky) or anything not in the centre of the Earth would have a distinct lean to it. (Although perspective and atmospheric refraction would probably make things look vertical, just as it works to make the sun appear to rise and set as it travels in its circle over the disc and causes ships to appear to disappear from the bottom up over the horizon. Which ships clearly don't, because Nikon P900.) And don't bother mentioning that density differences need gravity to work as an up/down mechanism, since your so-called "gravity" is just density. (Yes, that will be the answer you get.)

The key terms to remember are density, perspective and refraction. These explain any sphere-like or broadly heliocentric behaviours you may observe. And no, you can't just go to Antarctica to prove that it's just another continent, because there are armed forces keeping you away from the ice wall.

Re: My Parents Are Flat Earthers

#126
post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 'Being in a club with secret knowledge' doesn't fit the description of 'religion' very well, Why not? (I debated whether or not to include "religion" in my comment because the word is so laden with baggage, but ultimately decided that it was apt, so I am prepared to defend it if you really want to go down that rabbit hole.) > But 'flat earth' has to be the dumbest of all. Not even close. (Go read some Scientology l…

+ ~90% of the world's population are religious (depending on how you look at it) and they mostly grow up in communities wherein everyone is basically the same religion, ergo, they are not generally 'missionary' , 'proselytizing', nor do they feel they have access to 'special information'. In fact, it's the total opposite: for most of the world's religious, 'religion' is just part of every day, normative culture in mo…

> nor do they feel they have access to 'special information'.

I'm pretty sure that if you actually went and asked them you'd find that most of them consider the Word of God to be pretty special. (More specifically, the fact that they and their group recognize the True Word of God is what makes them feel special.)

> I think Hubbard's concept of 'tone scale' is brilliant

I think you just made my point for me.

Re: My Parents Are Flat Earthers

#127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Religions are a combination of unbelievable fairy tales and rational teachings with thousands of years of deep thought about and iteration on how to make a better world. Secular ethical thought is still in its infancy and highly disjointed; and it's not clear that it's even possible to achieve what many religions have without the unbelievable fairy tales. Remember, as much as Buddhism might teach you to be... well, C…

Those fairy tales, I would bet that , if let's say for example Jesus, existed in reality as a person(not clear) He maybe didn't speak any of those fairy tales. They are inventions made by distorting and contorting what was originnaly said by the Thinker, most probably with malicious intentions. Now there I am not clear, but in the case of Buddha, when he walked on earth(most probably true, if not already proven) I am…

Found her.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandra_David-Néel

Re: My Parents Are Flat Earthers

#128

I read quite a bit of the discussion here, and I’m struck: People railing against anti-scientific attitudes by spouting the first shit they made up that makes some intuitive sense to them about psychology and/or group dynamics. I wonder if anyone else sees the irony?

YES! Thank you. I hate this part of HN.

It feels like people here are so militantly anti-religion or frankly anti-everything that's not taught in science classes. This in a very contemptious, oh-so toxic way.

I like this article: http://www.paulgraham.com/ecw.html

And that would apply to everyone, not just F/E:ers. Now that's how you achieve true pluralism, not that I'm necessarily advocating that, but it's better than this hegemony and/or hate mongering.

I call for some dignity on the basis of humanity, I guess. And a bit of respect and humility wouldn't hurt, either ...

Re: My Parents Are Flat Earthers

#129
post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would it be fair to say the exact same thing about, say, Christianity, or any large scale religion? That, at it's core, it's a hack on the human mind, for people to feel important, to feel in control, when the world is so large and uncaring? Because to me, this burgeoning conspiracy culture (chemtrails, 5G, flat earth, etc etc) just feels like people utilising the same brain space that was once more used for religion…

I think the same brain space is used by futurists too. Magic batteries, dehumidifiers, a/c units, rockets, tunnels, Mars colonization, integrated neutral/digital systems. People want to feel like they are a part of a new age of knowledge set apart from the intellectually content masses, and feel like they're more honest in breaking free from the doctrine handed down by elites. And no. It's not fair to say that about…

> There are many reasons why people believe their religions.

What are those reasons in your opinion?

Re: My Parents Are Flat Earthers

#130
post #104

I don't see this sentiment elsewhere so I'll share it... I enjoyed reading this article but I think it's really f ked up he wrote this about his parents.

Why?

To me it seems disrespectful and offensive to publicly shame your parents, or almost anyone really, over privately shared conversations and opinions. Reminds me of this time I had lunch with a co-worker, who repeatedly referred to his parents as being "uneducated" because they didn't finish college.
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