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But Google lets you export your data. So if Facebook exports to Google, then your data can go anywhere, and we've won!
It appears that Google only allows you to export your data as long as the metrics show that no significant number of people actually do so.
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In what way is Google taking that stance? Last I checked, Google was taking the exactly opposite stance. http://www.dataliberation.org/
Obviously I must have phrased my position wrong, based on the reaction. Yes, they are taking that stance, since they are imposing conditions on exporting data from gmail. If I owned and could do anything I wanted with my data on gmail, then Google could not impose restrictions. They just did (in their API restrictions). That's what I'm very concerned about.
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But Google lets you export your data. So if Facebook exports to Google, then your data can go anywhere, and we've won!
It appears that Google only allows you to export your data as long as the metrics show that no significant number of people actually do so.
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Is Google really behaving like a child, or warning its users against childish actions? Facebook is not a dreamworld, so I'm quite happy when some people are reminded that they're submitting their friends addresses to a service that will never forget about them.
Call it what you like. They're effectively punishing their own users because they don't like a 3rd party service. Those users, however, clearly do like that 3rd party service, and would just like to get on with setting up their account there. Any action at all by Google during that process (other than the expected one) just makes things worse for their users. The adult thing to do, then, is to simply not do anything…
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But Google lets you export your data. So if Facebook exports to Google, then your data can go anywhere, and we've won!
It appears that Google only allows you to export your data as long as the metrics show that no significant number of people actually do so.
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That's not what I said. With Facebook, you delegate authority to manage email address to YOUR CONTACTS (not Facebook). In Google or any other address book, I can go into my friend Ted's contact and change his email address if I want to. In Facebook, I can't change Ted's email address. Only Ted can change it. To me, this is a MAJOR distinction.
I grant you the distinction. Now can you please explain why it's important and how Google failing to understand it is the cause of all this.
And you know what? Maybe you're right. Maybe Google DOES understand this just fine. But I think the strong language they're using, the bombastic language of "fairness" and "protectionism", implies that they are taking a subtle, nuanced issue of data ownership and pretending it's binary.
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And juste because I delegated management of contacts to Facebook, are they excused for not letting me get my data out whenever I want to switch contact management services -- for example -- to diaspora?
Again, this hinges on the meaning "my data". From your statement, I am guessing you believe that the email addresses of your contacts is your data. So here's the thought experiment: Amy uses GMail and has been corresponding with Bill, who works at Acme. Bill's email address, bill@acme.com, is in Amy's GMail address book. "bill@acme.com" is now a piece of data that is, unquestionably, "owned" by Amy. Amy joins Faceboo…
Choose your friends carefully, but choose the data you put on Facebook with even more discretion.
I'm just waiting for the backroom deal between the two that will allow two way sharing between only them.
As luck would have it, I picked today to set up a Facebook profile for me girlfriend. I'm now really angry with Google. It used to be a 30 second task to sift through your address book and check off people to send friend requests to. Now, thanks to Google behaving like children, I need to figure out how to export her contacts as a text file so that I can upload it to Facebook. Google, please stop. You are pissing off…
Users in Facebook are more volatile. While Facebook is a lot more 'addictive', with time the lack of value it actually provides becomes apparent and it becomes two things for most people: an open-id provider and a distraction hub. Google offers actual value to their customers and therefore commands a sense of loyalty that Facebook doesn't get because of main issue in this fight. Opening the data Facebook collects to fair use of their customers is a big step in providing value, Facebook is just afraid that this integration might fuel competition. How very Microsoft right?
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In what way is Google taking that stance? Last I checked, Google was taking the exactly opposite stance. http://www.dataliberation.org/
Obviously I must have phrased my position wrong, based on the reaction. Yes, they are taking that stance, since they are imposing conditions on exporting data from gmail. If I owned and could do anything I wanted with my data on gmail, then Google could not impose restrictions. They just did (in their API restrictions). That's what I'm very concerned about.