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Can we please have a global moratorium on all fishing for a few years? We are fishing the seas empty. I'm more than happy to pay for my share of the unsold/uncaught fish. This is such a disheartening example of the tragedy of the commons.
No, that would be an over reaction that will harm more than it helps. Controls are important but stop all legal fishing is not the answer.
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" I don't think this is a fair comparison because we breed these animals for farming, so technically we could breed as many as we need to sustain our habits." They still suffer greatly. Maybe a little extreme but by the same logic we could breed humans for slavery and say that it's OK because they got bred for it. "commercial farming of whales will cause the extinction of whales. " Not if done with proper quotas. It'…
> Maybe a little extreme but by the same logic we could breed humans for slavery and say that it's OK because they got bred for it. The day an animal can articulate that, I'll agree with you. Until then such comparison bears no meaning.
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As opposed to? Aren't pigs or cattle sentient?
No, pigs and cattle are not sentient. Sentience is a complex question, but it mostly revolves around language and symbol-making/recognition. There's substantial evidence that whales actually have language. Pigs and cattle do not. (edit: I'm misusing the word "sentience" here. The problem is that it's not the right distinction. Cows/pigs are sentient , in that they can feel emotions. But they cannot reason . So it's n…
Ask yourself if dog fighting is acceptable. That is clearly animal suffering for purely entertainment purposes. If you live in a situation where you can survive and thrive without eating meat, how is eating meat any different than watching dog fighting? It’s animal suffering for enjoyment purposes.
I don't even eat meat but I find it difficult to be angry about this when at the same time at home we have millions (billions?) of farm animals live in absolutely terrible conditions. Reminds me a little of the outrage in CA about horse meat. There are plenty of people who think eating horse meat is morally wrong while at the same time they eat some salad with bacon on top. Why is a horse better than a pig? Certainly…
I never knew this before reading this article(1), but a pig was put on trial. It ate off a kid's face. Was tried and hanged.
They lived among humans, eating our garbage and feces, and the occasional human or corpse, earning them a bad reputation.
Still is no comparison to what humans have done to them, and continue to.
I personally try not to eat them, in paeticular.
1-https://www.wired.com/2015/05/pigs-may-eat-crap-shouldnt-tre...
I don't even eat meat but I find it difficult to be angry about this when at the same time at home we have millions (billions?) of farm animals live in absolutely terrible conditions. Reminds me a little of the outrage in CA about horse meat. There are plenty of people who think eating horse meat is morally wrong while at the same time they eat some salad with bacon on top. Why is a horse better than a pig? Certainly…
It doesn't have to be about suffering or intelligence specifically to still be objectionable to hunt whales.
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I don't think this is a fair comparison because we breed these animals for farming, so technically we could breed as many as we need to sustain our habits. On the other hand there is no way to breed whales. There is some finite number of them in the wild and we cannot actively endeavor to create more. Commercial farming of farm animals will not cause the extinction of farm animals; commercial farming of whales will c…
So it’s only immoral if the number of the animals is really low? Seems like an arbitrary trait to determine whether animals deserve to live or not
According to the article “ Pro-whaling nations expected the moratorium to be temporary, until consensus could be reached on sustainable catch quotas.” If this fishing is truly sustainable and doesn’t threaten the whales with extinction there shouldn’t be a problem. Why should whales get protection that pigs, cows, and other animals don’t?
If you didn’t make them you don’t get to eat them?
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Is that a serious question? As one small example, the 500 million or so vegetarians in India seem to do just fine.
Yes it's a serious question. Many people love meat and it's a staple part of their diet (as has been the case with humans for all of humanity). As for India, you may want to update your numbers: https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelpellmanrowland/2017/12/1...
As to your comment on India, no one is arguing that meat doesn't taste good or that most people don't like to eat it. But whether the number is 300 million or 500 million, clearly meat isn't necessary for a balanced diet, and no one seriously disputes this.
Three facts. 1. Most of Japanese people have exactly zero interest about whaling. 2. Nor they do not understand why western people get so upset about it. ("What's so different with, say, tuna fishing?") 3. Anti-whaling protesters (e.g. Sea Shepherd) are really worsening the situation. Their "activism" (like stealing whale meats) is perceived as, at best, stupid. This is really a communication problem, guys. Whaling c…
I don't follow that conclusion at all. Really doesn't seem like that's how it would have played out to me; maybe it wouldn't have been worse than it is today, but I can't imagine they were simply being encouraged to whale to be ornery.
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> I think that in the future societies will look back at our consumption of meat, especially factory farming methods, and wonder why it took us so long to change our attitudes on this issue. How would future societies propose we feed ourselves if we don't eat meat?
Is that a serious question? As one small example, the 500 million or so vegetarians in India seem to do just fine.