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Re: Google Takes Down Artstation Android App for Explicit Content

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Post by badpun »

badpun wrote: post #98
laser wrote: post #29

The suppression of the viewing of the human body in its natural form, especially in art, is one of the deepest perversions of society. It seems so intrinsically tied to the suppression and control of pleasure by institutions seeking dominance over human life. When you control access to the natural pleasures of life, you have control over the motivations and operations of that life. In prior times, when religions were…

Have you wondered why extremely successful cultures (Christian, Muslim) have/had rules against public nudity? I had, and my (layman) conclusions were that public nudity creates too much sexual tension, and that is bad for stability of society. Hence, societies just function better without public nudity.

A question for downvoters: how am I wrong?

Re: Google Takes Down Artstation Android App for Explicit Content

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Post by pedrogpimenta »

bhouston wrote: post #95
krn wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I take this as the best explanation why Reddit is pushing its app so hard, even though it has a one of the most visited websites in the world. It's not about user engagement with content. It's about user engagement with ads.

yes, you can not block ads in a native app. And they are so annoying on the reddit mobile app.

That depends. Blokada [1] does a pretty good job!

[1] https://blokada.org/

Re: Google Takes Down Artstation Android App for Explicit Content

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Post by wongarsu »

tokyodude wrote: post #100
josephg wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know you write this in jest, but the problem is that when Germans talk purely to other Germans on Facebook, they still have to do so according to American cultural standards. I can stage a protest on the street outside here in Melbourne and the social rules, expectations and conventions that I am subject to are Australian. But there’s no equivalent online - if I organise that protest with other Australians on FB or…

I agree with almost everything you wrote but... it's easy for me to see almost no connection between viewing violence and people commiting violent behavior. It's much easier for me to see a connection between sexy media and sexual behavior with consequences like teen pregnancy and STDs. I watch a violent movie yet I don't want to commit violent acts after. I watch a sexy movie and I do start to desire to have sex. it…

In both cases there is a complex interplay. Violent media can normalize violence and can cause people to be more violent (at least short term). It can also have no effect at all. It depends a lot on the content, the environment and the person.

Nudity can lead to sex, but it can also contribute to sexual education (which reduces teen pregnancy and STD risk). It can also change you body image in negative or positive ways. It depends a lot on the content, the environment and the person.

In any case, America's war on the nipple is in no proportion to the risks.

Re: Google Takes Down Artstation Android App for Explicit Content

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Post by badpun »

ytqaz wrote: post #113
badpun wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you wondered why extremely successful cultures (Christian, Muslim) have/had rules against public nudity? I had, and my (layman) conclusions were that public nudity creates too much sexual tension, and that is bad for stability of society. Hence, societies just function better without public nudity.

That's what's causing the downfall of western society: forgetting that we owe everything to Christianity.

That’s not my point. My point is that there’s plenty of crappy/failed cultures (tribes in jungles etc.) that allowed public nudity, but not a single successful one did. Maybe there’s something to it.

Re: Google Takes Down Artstation Android App for Explicit Content

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Post by pmlnr »

bhouston wrote: post #95
krn wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I take this as the best explanation why Reddit is pushing its app so hard, even though it has a one of the most visited websites in the world. It's not about user engagement with content. It's about user engagement with ads.

yes, you can not block ads in a native app. And they are so annoying on the reddit mobile app.

You can block hosts on rooted phone easily, so if it's an ad network, it can be done. If it's first party, or in-content, ala tumblr, it's not been done yet, as far as I'm aware - that doesn't make it impossible though.

Re: Google Takes Down Artstation Android App for Explicit Content

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Post by ytqaz »

badpun wrote: post #124
ytqaz wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what's causing the downfall of western society: forgetting that we owe everything to Christianity.

That’s not my point. My point is that there’s plenty of crappy/failed cultures (tribes in jungles etc.) that allowed public nudity, but not a single successful one did. Maybe there’s something to it.

The psychology of shame and decorum, probably.

Re: Google Takes Down Artstation Android App for Explicit Content

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Post by pmlnr »

DanBC wrote: post #107
pmlnr wrote: post #76

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> not doing so risks their business The response should have been better filters for illegal content, not cutting off "adult" content. (" because in my opinion, there's nothing adulty in a fantasy artwork from the 70s which, the horror, shows both male and female uncovered breasts.)

I'm not saying it's a competent response. I'm saying it's not a response from puritanical idiots.

How is it not? How is banning nudity on a platform that rose on top of sex-positive attitude is not a puritan decision?!

Re: Google Takes Down Artstation Android App for Explicit Content

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Post by bad_user »

tokyodude wrote: post #100
josephg wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know you write this in jest, but the problem is that when Germans talk purely to other Germans on Facebook, they still have to do so according to American cultural standards. I can stage a protest on the street outside here in Melbourne and the social rules, expectations and conventions that I am subject to are Australian. But there’s no equivalent online - if I organise that protest with other Australians on FB or…

I agree with almost everything you wrote but... it's easy for me to see almost no connection between viewing violence and people commiting violent behavior. It's much easier for me to see a connection between sexy media and sexual behavior with consequences like teen pregnancy and STDs. I watch a violent movie yet I don't want to commit violent acts after. I watch a sexy movie and I do start to desire to have sex. it…

The US has one of the highest rates of gun-related murders.

I don’t necessarily agree that game/movie violence leads to violence in real life, such a claim requires proof, however at this point we can see an obvious correlation.

American culture prefers violence in movies/games, while banning nudity and waging an expensive war on drugs and yet it has some of the highest rates of violence, teen pregnancies and drug addictions among the western countries.

IMO you should rethink your assumptions. When it comes to stats and trends, this isn’t about you or your preferences.

Re: Google Takes Down Artstation Android App for Explicit Content

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Post by bad_user »

krn wrote: post #69
brian-armstrong wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think they'll want to, if they're ad supported. Adblockers don't run on native apps, and in general apps have better access to relevant ad sell info. A lot of ad supported companies are giving up on the web.

I take this as the best explanation why Reddit is pushing its app so hard, even though it has a one of the most visited websites in the world. It's not about user engagement with content. It's about user engagement with ads.

I’ve said it multiple times ... aggressive ad-blocking is hurting the open web, because publishers need a revenue stream to survive and they won’t go down without a fight.

This means shitty native apps, walled gardens and DRM.

Re: Google Takes Down Artstation Android App for Explicit Content

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Post by matwood »

badpun wrote: post #98
laser wrote: post #29

The suppression of the viewing of the human body in its natural form, especially in art, is one of the deepest perversions of society. It seems so intrinsically tied to the suppression and control of pleasure by institutions seeking dominance over human life. When you control access to the natural pleasures of life, you have control over the motivations and operations of that life. In prior times, when religions were…

Have you wondered why extremely successful cultures (Christian, Muslim) have/had rules against public nudity? I had, and my (layman) conclusions were that public nudity creates too much sexual tension, and that is bad for stability of society. Hence, societies just function better without public nudity.

Without any evidence to back up your claim, this is simply a case of correlation != causation. If we follow your example, then the subjugation of women also leads to a better functioning society. Do you think that is also true?

Going back to the nudity example, have you ever been to a topless beach? As an American who grew up in the religious south, my first trip to a topless beach in Europe was interesting for a bit but then just became normal. There was not any growing 'sexual tension'.

I have friends who are nudists and they say the same thing. It becomes normal quickly, and then it's not even a thing.

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