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Brave ads will be 100% opt-in.
"Will be" or "are"?
"Will be", as in, "are not".
Brave taking cryptocurrency donations “for me” without my consent
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Re: Brave taking cryptocurrency donations “for me” without my consent
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> How is that not fraud? The answer appears to be "technically", and "sue if you think you're big enough".
Fraud is a criminal offense. It needs a prosecutor, not a plaintiff.
In the US legal system there are both criminal and civil forms of fraud. A plaintiff can sue for fraud in civil court, seeking damages or specific performance.
Re: Brave taking cryptocurrency donations “for me” without my consent
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I work at Brave on the business team. This is helpful feedback. Brave is a startup with a small team earnestly building a new thing that combines a browser with a tipping system, with creator tools, with ad blocking... it's ambitious! As it's a new thing, describing it can be messy sometimes. We're always working to make our language better and clearer though. Thank you for letting us know it fell short for you. To a…
Here's the deal. If you want what you're proposing to work - you need to copy the model that Google briefly used with Google Contributor. Bid on the exchanges for the ads you want to block. Then serve cat pictures (or whatever). The creators will get paid through the existing payment infrastructure and you don't need to build an entirely parallel, opt-in system that will probably never gain enough traction to be wort…
I'm still amazed and saddened that the original Contributor didn't work out.
It was such a great concept that would work all the way from first introduction to a hypothetical future where everyone uses this and nobody sees ads.
Re: Brave taking cryptocurrency donations “for me” without my consent
#124Brendan Eich's defense of this scheme [0] seems a bit weak to me. Do you really think the solution is to make creators opt out? What in the world makes you think it's okay to represent people who have not asked for your assistance and take donations on their behalf? Why is it their responsibility to ask you nicely not to use their name to solicit donations? [0] https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/10761873167486156…
This must be against some kind of law, I'm not sure which though.
Not at lawyer, but using a third party's persona to collect money (for whatever purpose) sounds like a blatant breach of personality rights https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality_rights
Re: Brave taking cryptocurrency donations “for me” without my consent
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Yeah I suspect this is part of their overall revenue model.
Honest question: Why do you suspect that? (I work at Brave. We're all very, very nerdy here. It'd be helpful to understand why a fellow nerd suspects we're up to no good.)
Do you return the donations to the donor if they are not accepted by the recipient in some period of time? Like, after a year or something?
Re: Brave taking cryptocurrency donations “for me” without my consent
#126I'd been really loving Brave and using it as my daily driver for a few months now, until that I noticed that little "Brave Ads" icon at the end of the address bar. That's when I realized their entire business model is just in the usurpation of existing Google ad revenue, dressed up with "privacy concerns" for the good PR. This sent me on a journey to find a really solid, free, Chromium based browser that is totally d…
Honest question. Why not Firefox? What are your concerns with it?
Firefox absolutely sucks on Android. It's fine on Mac OS, but it is so much slower than Brave (Chromium based) and Chrome itself, that it becomes irritating to use. That being said, it does support extensions like Ublock Origin and Ghostery.
Mobile Chrome means zero extensions and ad hell, so Brave it is. Same Chrome engine and UI (swipeable tabs is something I miss in Firefox Android) and adblocking.
Re: Brave taking cryptocurrency donations “for me” without my consent
#127I'd been really loving Brave and using it as my daily driver for a few months now, until that I noticed that little "Brave Ads" icon at the end of the address bar. That's when I realized their entire business model is just in the usurpation of existing Google ad revenue, dressed up with "privacy concerns" for the good PR. This sent me on a journey to find a really solid, free, Chromium based browser that is totally d…
I noticed that, too. I tried to use Brave on mobile, and it ran about 5 times slower than Chrome. It's just not worth switching from Chrome IMHO.
Exact opposite experience. I use Brave as my default Android browser specifically beacuse it's fast like Chrome, but without the ads. At work, I don't mind using a non-adblocked PC, but mobile ads are a special kind of hell.
Re: Brave taking cryptocurrency donations “for me” without my consent
#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah I suspect this is part of their overall revenue model.
Honest question: Why do you suspect that? (I work at Brave. We're all very, very nerdy here. It'd be helpful to understand why a fellow nerd suspects we're up to no good.)
What you are doing looks like fraud.
Re: Brave taking cryptocurrency donations “for me” without my consent
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah I suspect this is part of their overall revenue model.
Honest question: Why do you suspect that? (I work at Brave. We're all very, very nerdy here. It'd be helpful to understand why a fellow nerd suspects we're up to no good.)
Why not simplify this and make it opt-in?
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#130Edit: title was changed, I am not Tom Scott I am not too familiar with how Brave and BAT (Brave Attention Token), so please chime in. Here's how Brave describes the BAT YouTube donations system: https://basicattentiontoken.org/brave-expands-basic-attentio... From my understanding, users of the Brave Browser select which YouTubers to donate to, but they don't know whether the channels have opted in to receive donation…
This is so weird, I keep meaning to check out the brave browser but knowing it's tied into cryptocoin nonsense drops my interest level to zero.
I agree, this is a terrible look for the company. They need to apologize, suspend the service and be honest with users about how this works, before announcing a reboot.
That being said, I've been using Brave on Android since early 2017, and it's been great. I don't think the BAT stuff is in the mobile version, but I did see it on the desktop Windows version recently.