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John Giannandrea named to Apple’s executive team

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Re: John Giannandrea named to Apple’s executive team

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Apple is not an innovative company.They are a marketing company. What do marketing teams do when they have a lot of money ? They start removing stuff, remove the wires, remove the inputs/outputs and kill the company. Good bye Apple, even this guy can't save you. I won't miss you.

Why does everybody else copy them, then?

If it’s just clever marketing, you have to wonder why marketing is working so well compared to the innovation that other companies are presumably doing.

Re: John Giannandrea named to Apple’s executive team

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Lots of comments about improving Siri here. This is interesting to me for several reasons I won't address, but I will ask this: Do people really use voice commands for, well, anything?

From a purely functional standpoint, they seem super awkward to me. I like buttons that click and reassure me of every input. I like to feel confident my actions won't be misinterpreted. I like that no one else near me will get weirded out or annoyed when I'm having trouble interfacing with whatever app I'm currently using. The only reason I can envision using voice controls for anything is in the car while driving, and you would only begrudgingly use them because it is overwhelmingly safer to have both hands on the wheel and your eyes on the road.

Apart from not enjoying voice controls from a functional point of view, is no one else creeped out at always on mics and video cameras in their house? In this era of super crappy security, especially with consumer grade stuff, there's a not insignificant chance your stuff is currently being hacked by one or more non-government bad actors (I already assume the US government, and probably a few other governments, already have 24/7 access to every mic and camera that is connected to the web in any way).

I've been assuming voice commands will die out and that this Alexa / Siri hype (hype might not be the right word. buzz? rumblings?) was a result of Amazon and Apple pushing them from a marketing perspective. The amount of comments about Siri in a thread about a random exec being added to Apple is making me re-consider that PoV.

Re: John Giannandrea named to Apple’s executive team

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It's just unbelievable to me that the company sitting on a quarter trillion dollars is unwilling to spend a small fraction of that hoard to hire the best of the best in order to fix the very thing that will kill their cash cow in the next 5 years. I'm on iOS myself (and have been faithful since the first iPhone), but $30 Google Home puck feels like it's from the future. Understands me perfectly, comes up with decent…

I'll take that bet. The iPhone is going to keep printing money for the next 15-20 years at least. Apple is a 40 year old company, and they're still raking in the dough from their original product category.

> The iPhone is going to keep printing money for the next 15-20 years at least.

iPhone sales are down, which is why Apple stock is down about 30% from its highs.

Re: John Giannandrea named to Apple’s executive team

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll take that bet. The iPhone is going to keep printing money for the next 15-20 years at least. Apple is a 40 year old company, and they're still raking in the dough from their original product category.

15-20 years? How are you SURE that smartphones will still be a thing in 20 years? Let alone that Apple will still be the hip premium brand? 20 years is a LONG time. The average lifespan for an S&P 500 company is less than that these days.

> How are you SURE that smartphones will still be a thing in 20 years?

I'm sure someone asked a similar question about personal computers in the early 80's. They didn't go away when smartphones became prevalent, they became computational work-horses and in the same way an AR system will never be able to pack the computing punch and battery life of a smartphone.

But similar to how a smart-phone complements a PC, AR tech will simplify how we interact with specific parts of the world around us like navigation, notifications, and merge with existing tech like wireless earphones with noise cancellation and conversation/audio-enhancement to provide minimum necessary utility.

More features will bleed down the chain from PC to phone to AR, but with size comes certain advantages and disadvantages, and a large object can always hold more juice and computational power.

I think the biggest disruption will come from global low latency wireless internet - suddenly computational power can be uncoupled from the device and AR would be able to offload the power-hungry CPU/GPU's and large batteries needed for fluid and powerful interaction. But I'm not sure Elon Musk's satellite internet project will be that disruptor - so it might be another long wait until that next big thing happens.

Re: John Giannandrea named to Apple’s executive team

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

His experience seems to be entirely focused on compilers. He's a talented engineer and leader, and his decision to join Google Brain indicates interest in AI, but wouldn't the chief AI/ML engineer have some demonstrable expertise in that particular field?

Jeff Dean didn't have a demonstrable expertise in AI before heading Google AI.

Yes he did -- He co-authored an influential deep learning paper in 2012: https://ai.google/research/pubs/pub40565

I think his contribution at that time was mainly clever ways to drastically scale up existing neural net techniques, but just scaling things up 100x or 1000x seems to be a large part of the magic of deep learning.

Re: John Giannandrea named to Apple’s executive team

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post #122

Lots of comments about improving Siri here. This is interesting to me for several reasons I won't address, but I will ask this: Do people really use voice commands for, well, anything? From a purely functional standpoint, they seem super awkward to me. I like buttons that click and reassure me of every input. I like to feel confident my actions won't be misinterpreted. I like that no one else near me will get weirded…

Voice commands are the future . “Turn off kids bedroom” “remind me about ... later today”, “call wife”, “set timer for 3 minutes” - it is so much faster then fumbling through the UI

Re: John Giannandrea named to Apple’s executive team

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post #122

Lots of comments about improving Siri here. This is interesting to me for several reasons I won't address, but I will ask this: Do people really use voice commands for, well, anything? From a purely functional standpoint, they seem super awkward to me. I like buttons that click and reassure me of every input. I like to feel confident my actions won't be misinterpreted. I like that no one else near me will get weirded…

They're very useful for very limited things - "Set a timer for 30 minutes" or "Wake me up at 8am" is easier than doing that yourself. Even dictating a short text in a pinch is nice. Think "in the kitchen" with wet or dirty hands.

Re: John Giannandrea named to Apple’s executive team

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post #122

Lots of comments about improving Siri here. This is interesting to me for several reasons I won't address, but I will ask this: Do people really use voice commands for, well, anything? From a purely functional standpoint, they seem super awkward to me. I like buttons that click and reassure me of every input. I like to feel confident my actions won't be misinterpreted. I like that no one else near me will get weirded…

I frequently use voice commands for both my Android phone and for my Amazon Echo, which is the only way to interact with it. I even have my phone wake up and unlock from the sound of my voice because it's so convenient. I do it when I'm driving, when I'm in my bed and my phone is plugged in and out of reach and when I'm just too lazy. Outside of that I use my Echo for shopping, adding things to the shopping list as I'm looking through my fridge, timers, recipes, music, asking factual questions and more. I love voice activated features and don't find them super-awkward in the least.

Re: John Giannandrea named to Apple’s executive team

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post #122

Lots of comments about improving Siri here. This is interesting to me for several reasons I won't address, but I will ask this: Do people really use voice commands for, well, anything? From a purely functional standpoint, they seem super awkward to me. I like buttons that click and reassure me of every input. I like to feel confident my actions won't be misinterpreted. I like that no one else near me will get weirded…

Being able to hold up my watch and say “set a timer for 30 minutes” is significantly better than fumbling through menus.

Re: John Giannandrea named to Apple’s executive team

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post #118

Apple is not an innovative company.They are a marketing company. What do marketing teams do when they have a lot of money ? They start removing stuff, remove the wires, remove the inputs/outputs and kill the company. Good bye Apple, even this guy can't save you. I won't miss you.

You can't just will this to happen by saying it. The reality is very different. Either their brainwashing works so well that tons of consumers AND other companies buy into it and follow along, or maybe they're onto something.
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