Since Facebook is walking away all the time without any consequences, this will happen again and again. The long-term solution to this mess should come from users abandoning it which is happening gradually based on recent reports.
> The long-term solution to this mess should come from users abandoning it
Where will the people go? If it's other software it might end being as bad or worse.
How come Google never has had a breach? Do they do a better job with security? Is Facebook more of a target than Google?
Good question, to which I don’t know the full answer. But if you look at their motto “move fast and break things”, insistence on pushing new features as fast as possible, and the recent clash and resignation of their CSO, I’d say google are just more mature about security, and understand their products are entirely reliant on trust of their users.
> "We're sorry this happened." That about sums it up for all these privacy breaches these days. It's getting to the same level of "thoughts and prayers" for tragedies. No actual change or consequences for the problems happening, just empty "sorries" and "promises" that it won't happen again/they'll get it fixed. I don't know if this is a GDPR violation or not (as someone else asked), but if it is, I hope we start act…
> I don't know if this is a GDPR violation or not (as someone else asked), but if it is, I hope we start actually seeing action of these sorts of things. Sounds like you're suggesting that we criminalize software bugs.
The alternative is to allow the least competent actors continue to lose user data without any consequences.
Hammurabi's code (~1700 BC) includes this about building: Building Code 229. If a builder builds a house for a man and does not make its construction sound, and the house which he has built collapses and causes the death of the owner of the house, the builder shall be put to death. 233. If a builder builds a house for a man and does not make its construction sound, and a wall cracks, that builder shall strengthen tha…
But they aren’t. Most home sales in the US follow caveat emptor. If you buy a house from a private seller and then later discover mold in the walls or a crack in the foundation I wish you luck in getting the seller to pay for the repair.
New home sales include warranty which is the modern equivalent of the parent’s story. While buying used if you can prove that the seller knew of a mold problem and didn’t disclose it then you have a legal case.
But they aren’t. Most home sales in the US follow caveat emptor. If you buy a house from a private seller and then later discover mold in the walls or a crack in the foundation I wish you luck in getting the seller to pay for the repair.
The parent was establishing precedent.
And I'm establishing that the precedent cited doesn't exist, not in modern times anyway. If the argument is that home sellers are punished if they don't protect the buyer and so data sellers should be punished if they don't protect the data, that doesn't really hold up because home sellers aren't typically punished.
Hammurabi's code (~1700 BC) includes this about building: Building Code 229. If a builder builds a house for a man and does not make its construction sound, and the house which he has built collapses and causes the death of the owner of the house, the builder shall be put to death. 233. If a builder builds a house for a man and does not make its construction sound, and a wall cracks, that builder shall strengthen tha…
"Skin in the Game": If a social media company leaks private photos of its users, the company's executives and senior staff shall have its photos leaked. I would love something like that. Nobody protects anyone else's interests in this modern world unless there's Skin in the Game. Would highly recommend reading Nassim Taleb's book of the same name; he is popularizing this term, and its implications to society.
the same "eye for an eye" goes for "if you have nothing to hide" - well then, you first
This may change when lives are actually lost. Self crashing cars have the potential to destroy the potential saving of life by intentional or accidental software bugs and security vulnerabilities. A congressman I was speaking with rephrased my statement and said that I was suggesting that self driving cars be treated as medical devices. I wholeheartedly agreed with his wording. That said, the same changes won't likel…
It will happen if FB have to suffer financial consequences. GDPR will help, but we need companies to understand that personal data is not an asset, they are also liabilities .
You are probably right. I would be curious to see a review from a lawyer on the AUP that users agree to. Some things can not be waived in certain jurisdictions. Otherwise people may have given permission and ownership of some of their data to FB to do with as they please.
Nothing bad ever comes to companies as a consequence of these leaks, so what is their incentive to stop them? It happens so often that it goes down the memory hole after maybe a week or two, so even that isn't much of an incentive. We shouldn't be surprised about this.
There's a crowd here on HN that hates regulation but this is exactly why regulation exists. Massive, wealthy, powerful industries just aren't held accountable by average consumers or markets. There's no serious competitor that benefits if your data isn't safe at Facebook. And average people not only aren't powerful but have their own lives to look after. Without regulation massive companies are entirely unchecked, th…
As one aside on this, the main issue people have with regulations is not regulations in and of themselves, but the negative effect they have on small businesses and competition/entrepreneurship more generally. I think you'd find extremely few genuine voices against regulations that only start to apply once a company (and all associated entities) grosses in excess of e.g. $100 million annual revenue. By that point companies the costs (as a fraction of their total revenue) in ensuring compliance, and complying itself is only going to be a minuscule fraction of revenue. By contrast these same costs can, and do, destroy or simply prevent the formation of smaller companies that could greatly expand the market to the benefit of all.
Hammurabi's code (~1700 BC) includes this about building: Building Code 229. If a builder builds a house for a man and does not make its construction sound, and the house which he has built collapses and causes the death of the owner of the house, the builder shall be put to death. 233. If a builder builds a house for a man and does not make its construction sound, and a wall cracks, that builder shall strengthen tha…
But they aren’t. Most home sales in the US follow caveat emptor. If you buy a house from a private seller and then later discover mold in the walls or a crack in the foundation I wish you luck in getting the seller to pay for the repair.
They do not carry the as-is, where-is clause you describe unless explicitly. If you can prove prior knowledge they are still liable. Proving the prior is the hard part, but private sales most certainly enforce a good faith clause