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Armageddon Looms over World Chess Champs after Carlsen’s Shocking Decision

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Re: Armageddon Looms over World Chess Champs after Carlsen’s Shocking Decision

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chess.com is running a "tournament" of the top computer chess engines to play out the final position of Game 12 and see how it goes: https://www.chess.com/news/view/computer-chess-championship-...

The score is currently 2 wins for white, 11 draws and 6 wins for black. There is a total of 56 games involving eight engines.

So, roughly 10% chance of disaster for Black. Perhaps Carlsen thinks his odds of losing in the tiebreaks are actually lower than that?

Re: Armageddon Looms over World Chess Champs after Carlsen’s Shocking Decision

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I fervently believe that soccer would be a much more entertaining game if the substitution rules were significantly loosened. When I played in high school, substitution was allowed on any dead ball situation, and we effectively used something like a hockey line shift, with midfielders shuttling in and out every five minutes. The result was that you could play at a much higher tempo than if you had to conserve energy…

you'd also spend a whole ton of time waiting for players to get on and off the field.

Not if you do it more like hockey does it.

Re: Armageddon Looms over World Chess Champs after Carlsen’s Shocking Decision

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It might spice-up the whole match to have this final-someone's-gotta-win tiebreaker before other tiebreaker matches, and then hold the result "in case it's needed". That'd be in the same spirit as this recommendation to have Soccer penalty-kick shootouts before overtime. https://slate.com/culture/2016/06/how-to-fix-the-penalty-sho... That is: you know who will win if all other tiebreakers draw, giving the side which…

It still irks me that something as rare and prestigious as the World Cup (and Olympic Hockey) can get decided by shootouts. I mean, I get it, football has a huge pitch and it'd probably be ridiculous to have guys exhausted, barely able to jog at the 150th minute. That said, one of the things I love about NHL playoff hockey is that without compromise, it's first goal wins overtime, where players are willing to do ever…

Golden goal has been tried in the past in football tournaments, and has been rejected. It was widely perceived that it did not lead to more attacking football.

Re: Armageddon Looms over World Chess Champs after Carlsen’s Shocking Decision

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I believe Carlsen is on record as disliking the current format. The way it works right now, the reigning champion does nothing until a challenger has earned the right to face him by winning a candidates tournament. Then the winner of the candidates tournament faces the reigning champion in a match for the title. Carlsen, as I understand it, would prefer that the champion take part in a tournament. The women's champio…

What I don't understand is why there needs to be a separate women's tournament. It's chess, not football. Edit: I suppose that makes sense to encourage more women to play if that was an issue. (I'm used to more casual clubs where membership requires only interest and showing up.)

In chess there are two kinds of tournaments: women only and open to all. For some reason or other, men dominate in chess, so it makes sense to have a separate women's tournament imho.

Re: Armageddon Looms over World Chess Champs after Carlsen’s Shocking Decision

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You don't have to imagine to find a sport with greater running distances, match lengths, and goals-without-a-goalie: Just go watch an Aussie Rules Football match. They have roughly 2 hours of play, and it's not unknown for players to run over 11 miles a match.

I imagine there aren't a lot of drawn games?

2010 Grand Final was a draw.

As a Geelong fan I enjoyed neither St Kilda or Collingwood winning for the week before the rematch.

Re: Armageddon Looms over World Chess Champs after Carlsen’s Shocking Decision

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The effectively cointoss plan for this tourney isn't better. They should accept co-titles for equally matched players

At the next tournament, two challengers are presented to the two champions with a co-title. Imagine they also tie all their matches; now the world has four reigning chess champions!

Well, if they all play equally well, what's the problem?

Re: Armageddon Looms over World Chess Champs after Carlsen’s Shocking Decision

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It might spice-up the whole match to have this final-someone's-gotta-win tiebreaker before other tiebreaker matches, and then hold the result "in case it's needed". That'd be in the same spirit as this recommendation to have Soccer penalty-kick shootouts before overtime. https://slate.com/culture/2016/06/how-to-fix-the-penalty-sho... That is: you know who will win if all other tiebreakers draw, giving the side which…

It still irks me that something as rare and prestigious as the World Cup (and Olympic Hockey) can get decided by shootouts. I mean, I get it, football has a huge pitch and it'd probably be ridiculous to have guys exhausted, barely able to jog at the 150th minute. That said, one of the things I love about NHL playoff hockey is that without compromise, it's first goal wins overtime, where players are willing to do ever…

Golden Goal can have the problem of teams playing too defensively. My favorite option for these sorts of things is drop offs, every x minutes a player from either side comes off. In soccer space is the most important factor to goal scoring. For a while field hockey used this but I'm not sure why they switched back.

Side note - I appreciate these sports threads, they're very rare in geek circles.

Re: Armageddon Looms over World Chess Champs after Carlsen’s Shocking Decision

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post #66
post #40

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It might spice-up the whole match to have this final-someone's-gotta-win tiebreaker before other tiebreaker matches, and then hold the result "in case it's needed". That'd be in the same spirit as this recommendation to have Soccer penalty-kick shootouts before overtime. https://slate.com/culture/2016/06/how-to-fix-the-penalty-sho... That is: you know who will win if all other tiebreakers draw, giving the side which…

It still irks me that something as rare and prestigious as the World Cup (and Olympic Hockey) can get decided by shootouts. I mean, I get it, football has a huge pitch and it'd probably be ridiculous to have guys exhausted, barely able to jog at the 150th minute. That said, one of the things I love about NHL playoff hockey is that without compromise, it's first goal wins overtime, where players are willing to do ever…

You're talking about Golden Goal. Soccer already have that from as long as I remember.

Then it was "downgraded" to Silver Goal. Only both to be abolished later on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_goal

Wiki mentioned "The golden goal and silver goal were widely perceived as failed experiments" but I'm in the opposing camp. Golden Goal is freaking exciting as a spectator.

Re: Armageddon Looms over World Chess Champs after Carlsen’s Shocking Decision

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In past World Chess Championships when they finished tied with points the current champion retained the title, which I found disappointing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Chess_Championship_1987#...

I believe Carlsen is on record as disliking the current format. The way it works right now, the reigning champion does nothing until a challenger has earned the right to face him by winning a candidates tournament. Then the winner of the candidates tournament faces the reigning champion in a match for the title. Carlsen, as I understand it, would prefer that the champion take part in a tournament. The women's champio…

Don't both players have considerable negotiating room to change the format?

Re: Armageddon Looms over World Chess Champs after Carlsen’s Shocking Decision

#130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe Carlsen is on record as disliking the current format. The way it works right now, the reigning champion does nothing until a challenger has earned the right to face him by winning a candidates tournament. Then the winner of the candidates tournament faces the reigning champion in a match for the title. Carlsen, as I understand it, would prefer that the champion take part in a tournament. The women's champio…

What I don't understand is why there needs to be a separate women's tournament. It's chess, not football. Edit: I suppose that makes sense to encourage more women to play if that was an issue. (I'm used to more casual clubs where membership requires only interest and showing up.)

What is the gender ratio in the casual clubs you're familiar with? Which country is that?
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