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Re: Thank you to dang and sctb

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Post by danso »

waterhouse wrote: post #115
danso wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't downvote but I think others might have because you leveled an allegation so vague as to be irrefutable. I think dang has been a great mod and have only seen the interactions that involve me, or have been upvoted. Doesn't mean I wouldn't be interested in seeing substantive criticism from those who've experienced differently.

If there were a search engine that, say, turned up comment-pairs where dang replied to chris_wot, then it would be easy to get a sampling of their (public) interactions. I doubt any normal search engines (or even hn.algolia.com) do it. (And both posters are active enough that going through history is impractical. BTW, as one data point, 14 of dang's last 36 comments contain the word "please".) Perhaps someone has a d…

It wouldn't cover situations where the mods took action or retaliated without publicly commenting. But to your question about a queryable database, such a thing exists on BigQuery: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17471117

edit: apparently it's updated daily, with 18,507,035 comments as of now: https://bigquery.cloud.google.com/table/bigquery-public-data...

Re: Thank you to dang and sctb

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Post by black-tea »

nolok wrote: post #107
black-tea wrote: post #105

I do not post my thoughts on certain topics any more because I know I'll get banned for it. So you can thank them for your echo chamber.

I have plenty of contrarian opinion on things, such as thinking Tesla is massively overvalued and their autopilot a scam, or my views on apple, etc... And while I may be down voted when posting them never ever have I feared a ban. Maybe to find the issue you should pay less attention to your opinion and more to how you express it. Disagreeing with people is okay, even on the Internet there isn't always a side that's…

No, trust me. It doesn't matter what languages I use to express myself, if I post about one specific topic I'll be banned every time. There are probably others too but you'll never know because the moderation is opaque.

Re: Thank you to dang and sctb

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Post by classichasclass »

slededit wrote: post #74
Insanity wrote: post #23

Their nicks don't ring a bell with me, and I've been here for ~2 years. Which probably means that what they're doing is a good thing though, not a lot of flame wars going on! (Or alternatively, I just stay away from articles that might cause need for more moderation). But thanks! Good mods are crucial for a place like this

You probably don't have showdead enabled. Unlike other places bans come with an explanation - so I see them fairly often following flagged posts.

Good idea, I should turn that on! Thanks for the suggestion.

Re: Thank you to dang and sctb

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Post by chris_wot »

dieterrams wrote: post #88
chris_wot wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't say I've experienced this, he treated me pretty badly in the past. Most times he is OK though. By all means downvote me, btw. This backslapping post on the front page only wants to hear about how amazing the mods are, so the bias is pretty evident.

I vouched for (undeaded) your comment, since I think the flagging/downvoting runs contrary to the principles of discourse we're (at least implicitly) celebrating here, smelling of tribalism/favoritism. Just because you view someone favorably, and someone else claims something negative about that person, doesn't mean you just get to flagbomb them into oblivion. The right response here is simply to ask for further subs…

I have, they have admitted it in public comments to me already.

Re: Thank you to dang and sctb

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Post by DonHopkins »

itronitron wrote: post #96
DonHopkins wrote: post #62

As a tribute to Dang, whose name you say when you make a mistake, here are some of my favorite Far Side cartoons: Some Weirdo: https://i.pinimg.com/564x/f8/74/40/f8744035e15d69eb8fd4c70de... Monster Jobs: https://i.pinimg.com/564x/21/81/3e/21813e975f2aa35259246eeca... Vultures: https://i.pinimg.com/564x/e4/d2/f3/e4d2f3b47c3de90e1a084d94a... Construction Birds at Lunch: https://i.pinimg.com/564x/3b/c5/fd/3bc5fd323e791…

i wonder if the Monster Jobs cartoon was the impetus for Monster.com

I just hope I wasn't the inspiration for the "Some Weirdo" one.

Re: Thank you to dang and sctb

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Post by DonHopkins »

tinkerteller wrote: post #120
yesenadam wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Because the comment didn't stop there. Why leave off the bit on the end? Because it would ruin your case? 2. Because, with what I've learnt of dang, the comment you quoted is certain to be not the whole story, to the point of being false. I'd wager a lot of money on that.

Hugh? “So, no thanks actually.” part was so important for you? I see how people like you and others have taken up to be the judge and jury and hang anyone who diverges from the echo chamber. It’s quite a shame that people who would like them to identify themselves as hackers have turned in to moral police and suppress any minority opinions however respectfully presented. Hope is that a new website would comes along a…

Yeah, the whole country is an echo chamber right now. Everybody saying "Thanks for this", "Thanks for that", "Thank you", "Thank you too", "Why, you're welcome", "Here, have something to eat", "Pass the turkey please", "Here, have some more turkey!", "This is excellent turkey, thank you!", "You're welcome!"

Re: Thank you to dang and sctb

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Post by DonHopkins »

comesee wrote: post #85
cbkeller wrote: post #54

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The "legalistic gambit" is definitely a real thing. I've just learned the other day that there's a neologism for this: "sealioning" [1], defined as > pursuing people with persistent requests for evidence or repeated questions, while maintaining a pretense of civility [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_lioning

Sounds like an unfounded presumption of bad faith.

Like presuming everyone male will act just like the chimpanzees in your study? Do you have any studies of female chimpanzees you want to claim predict the behavior of all the women on HN?

Re: Thank you to dang and sctb

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Post by comesee »

DonHopkins wrote: post #128
comesee wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like an unfounded presumption of bad faith.

Like presuming everyone male will act just like the chimpanzees in your study? Do you have any studies of female chimpanzees you want to claim predict the behavior of all the women on HN?

It's an observed and documented behavioral pattern, it's not a presumption of motive. No reasonable interpretation of my original comment implies that one should assume all males will act like chimpanzees. Interesting and productive discussion can't be had without paying attention to the nuance of what is being discussed.
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