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Re: Show HN: Gmail Classic – CSS for Reverting Gmail's New Look

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Post by Aeolun »

burfog wrote: post #66
ravenstine wrote: post #29

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I thought the whole idea of JavaScript-heavy frontends was to make things faster . A rhetorical question: How is it that Google is somehow a leader in frontend technology and design when they often don't practice what they preach?

I'm sure it achieves that when you use Chrome on a recent developer workstation and only have one tab running. There is a nice JIT in the browser, plenty of RAM, and lots of high-end cores available for the task. Today I'm struggling with 8 GiB of RAM and 2 cores. Admittedly I have many tabs open, but that is to be expected. Web site creators might believe that the world revolves around their web site, but really it…

To be fair, my developer workstation has a fuckton of things running in the background.

Re: Show HN: Gmail Classic – CSS for Reverting Gmail's New Look

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Post by Aeolun »

jcelerier wrote: post #34
mattnewton wrote: post #20

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I suspect this has more to do with network speed than platform or browser time spent parsing / executing js.

I'm on gigabit fiber and it's still slow as molasses

That’s not being fair to the molasses.

Re: Show HN: Gmail Classic – CSS for Reverting Gmail's New Look

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Post by lifeformed »

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #82
pixelrevision wrote: post #46

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Google is becoming really frustrating. I am trying to transition off inbox because they are killing it. The performance of the new gmail is miserable though.

I know this suggestion has been made a million times here by now, but you should really try a service like Fastmail! A few weeks back I began transitioning my data away from Google, and the performance and overall quality level of Fastmail really blew my mind. It's probably the best and fastest web app I've ever used.

Is there some kind of "SaaS in a box" setup where I can just have all my web apps like mail, photos, storage, repos, etc hosted on AWS or something, in one place, under my control?

Re: Show HN: Gmail Classic – CSS for Reverting Gmail's New Look

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Post by realusername »

schrodinger wrote: post #116
TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #82

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I know this suggestion has been made a million times here by now, but you should really try a service like Fastmail! A few weeks back I began transitioning my data away from Google, and the performance and overall quality level of Fastmail really blew my mind. It's probably the best and fastest web app I've ever used.

How's the search and spam filtering?

Spam filtering is alright (at least for me it's similar to Gmail), search has issues if you don't put the exact term I found, I don't like it that much. Fortunately, you can search with a lot of criteria and usually I find what I want.

Re: Show HN: Gmail Classic – CSS for Reverting Gmail's New Look

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Post by toomuchtodo »

lifeformed wrote: post #123
TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know this suggestion has been made a million times here by now, but you should really try a service like Fastmail! A few weeks back I began transitioning my data away from Google, and the performance and overall quality level of Fastmail really blew my mind. It's probably the best and fastest web app I've ever used.

Is there some kind of "SaaS in a box" setup where I can just have all my web apps like mail, photos, storage, repos, etc hosted on AWS or something, in one place, under my control?

https://github.com/Kickball/awesome-selfhosted

Re: Show HN: Gmail Classic – CSS for Reverting Gmail's New Look

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Post by bubblethink »

mistermann wrote: post #97
TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know this suggestion has been made a million times here by now, but you should really try a service like Fastmail! A few weeks back I began transitioning my data away from Google, and the performance and overall quality level of Fastmail really blew my mind. It's probably the best and fastest web app I've ever used.

Gmail search often doesn't even work for me anymore, I simply can't understand how decisions are made at this company. Is there a way to migrate all your email and maintain your Gmail address indefinitely?

Just enable pop3 access (at least temporarily), and get your other inbox to import all the mail. Then set up forwarding in gmail. That's it.

Re: Show HN: Gmail Classic – CSS for Reverting Gmail's New Look

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Post by fovc »

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #82
pixelrevision wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google is becoming really frustrating. I am trying to transition off inbox because they are killing it. The performance of the new gmail is miserable though.

I know this suggestion has been made a million times here by now, but you should really try a service like Fastmail! A few weeks back I began transitioning my data away from Google, and the performance and overall quality level of Fastmail really blew my mind. It's probably the best and fastest web app I've ever used.

I find FastMail painfully slow. Particularly the mobile app. Long threads with tables and images will crash the app and make Undo unusable on desktop

Re: Show HN: Gmail Classic – CSS for Reverting Gmail's New Look

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Post by esturk »

mattnewton wrote: post #20
vbezhenar wrote: post #17

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3 seconds to load interface, almost instant transitions to mail and reply. Windows, Google Chrome.

I suspect this has more to do with network speed than platform or browser time spent parsing / executing js.

You should disclose the fact you work for Google beforehand because you blaming the issue on something else looks bad for Google.

Re: Show HN: Gmail Classic – CSS for Reverting Gmail's New Look

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Post by MiddleEndian »

ravenstine wrote: post #29
webdevetc wrote: post #27

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You can load gmail is basic html mode, it might help. According to https://support.google.com/mail/answer/15049?hl=en , the following link should set it to basic html mode (I haven't tested it) https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/h/1pq68r75kzvdr/?v%3Dlui I've used the basic html mode before when the normal (js heavy) one was a bit slow, and it ended up being much faster even if every action requires a whole new page req…

I thought the whole idea of JavaScript-heavy frontends was to make things faster . A rhetorical question: How is it that Google is somehow a leader in frontend technology and design when they often don't practice what they preach?

I imagine their metrics are based on what's faster for their servers rather than the user. It's the only explanation.

Re: Show HN: Gmail Classic – CSS for Reverting Gmail's New Look

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Post by zhte415 »

I'm sure a lot of A/B testing has gone into the changes a lot of others are complaining about.

Given GMail's mix of users, a subset of whom are probably power users that are open to 'discoverable' features, would it not be sensible for GMail to allow an option, an option that a vocal minority of power users do seemingly want, to be selected and allow these users to retain these features they were used to. Adding 3rd party hacks doesn't seem optimal.

A/B testing is like voting: It results in dissatisfaction for an often large proportion of those affected. Using techniques like multivoting that don't result in a single answer for everyone just seems like a better idea given these audiences are sufficiently large enough to support.

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