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Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by Aeolun »

ekianjo wrote: post #95
lalos wrote: post #8

Microsoft will reap the rewards of supporting XP and Office for decades, that wins enterprise trust & goodwill, and clients will expect that from Azure. On the other hand, every month we have a new product/service of Google being deprecated (officially or by raising prices). Even if it's technically better, the most sane business decision from enterprise would be to bet on Microsoft for support reasons. Microsoft tal…

I remember seeing Google folks in Japan coming to sell their products in T shirts and jeans in a business world where everyone wears suits and knows it. I have nothing against the casual style, but knowing the etiquette is primordial in business.

Dawut? For real?

I honestly cannot imagine the words ‘sales’ and ‘no suit’ together in a sentence anywhere in the world, much less Japan.

I’m not even Japanese and I think by now I’d consider it more or less an insult.

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Post by Someone »

willismichael wrote: post #117
tabtab wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was bleeding edge tech; that happens.

Well, sure it was bleeding edge. That's not the point. Bleeding edge doesn't mean that your support has to be completely broken like this.

I wouldn’t call that “completely broken”. You can argue it took too long, or that having to give that advice for the reason given is stupid, or that the customer didn’t want to get that advice, but in the example the customer managed to get through to customer support and got clear, actionable advice.

I frequently read worse on HN about Google, where even reaching tech support can be ‘challenging”, and Apple, where app reviews report issues that developers can’t make heads or tails of.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by thrower123 »

TomMarius wrote: post #44
Pxtl wrote: post #40

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If we're going to talk about "mothball without formally announcing deprecation" Microsoft is pretty awful for that too. There are so many zombie libraries and frameworks and tools in the Microsoft family, and they never have the decency to say "stop using that". Even windows.forms was default in visual studio until like 2013 or so.

Windows Forms were also the only sensible option until at least 2014. Only after 2014 Microsoft has fully commited to one solution, before that it was very wild.

What is that solution? You're not talking about UWP, in it's myriad and shifting incarnations, are you?

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by momofarm »

thrower123 wrote: post #45
Pxtl wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we're going to talk about "mothball without formally announcing deprecation" Microsoft is pretty awful for that too. There are so many zombie libraries and frameworks and tools in the Microsoft family, and they never have the decency to say "stop using that". Even windows.forms was default in visual studio until like 2013 or so.

I'm convinced that as long as there is a Windows operating system based on the Win32 API, WinForms cannot die. It's still the nicest and most productive way to build GUI apps I've seen. Maybe not the prettiest, but it just works.

ever try QT or popular CEF based (actually, web-based) solution?

actually, I'm wondering at current moment, what's the choice of framework / OS to make a productive GUI?

or just fire those claimed-designer guy (probally your boss) let engineer do there job?

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by irrational »

VikingCoder wrote: post #73
lalos wrote: post #8

Microsoft will reap the rewards of supporting XP and Office for decades, that wins enterprise trust & goodwill, and clients will expect that from Azure. On the other hand, every month we have a new product/service of Google being deprecated (officially or by raising prices). Even if it's technically better, the most sane business decision from enterprise would be to bet on Microsoft for support reasons. Microsoft tal…

I can't even tell you how many connectivity and graphics technologies MS launched, I developed on, and then they abandoned. I struggle to understand why people think MS deserves enterprise trust & goodwill.

And then there are things like IE6 that they didn't abandon soon enough.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by irrational »

Aeolun wrote: post #121
ekianjo wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember seeing Google folks in Japan coming to sell their products in T shirts and jeans in a business world where everyone wears suits and knows it. I have nothing against the casual style, but knowing the etiquette is primordial in business.

Dawut? For real? I honestly cannot imagine the words ‘sales’ and ‘no suit’ together in a sentence anywhere in the world, much less Japan. I’m not even Japanese and I think by now I’d consider it more or less an insult.

It depends. At my company (70,000+ employees the last time I checked) even the CEO doesn't wear a tie, much less a suit (usually he wears a t-shirt and jeans). A sales guy wearing so much as a tie would not be taken seriously.

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by nitwit005 »

VikingCoder wrote: post #73
lalos wrote: post #8

Microsoft will reap the rewards of supporting XP and Office for decades, that wins enterprise trust & goodwill, and clients will expect that from Azure. On the other hand, every month we have a new product/service of Google being deprecated (officially or by raising prices). Even if it's technically better, the most sane business decision from enterprise would be to bet on Microsoft for support reasons. Microsoft tal…

I can't even tell you how many connectivity and graphics technologies MS launched, I developed on, and then they abandoned. I struggle to understand why people think MS deserves enterprise trust & goodwill.

But they generally still function right? They're just not "the way you should do it anymore".

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by benaadams »

Pxtl wrote: post #40
ghayes wrote: post #32

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I would add that AWS seems to moth-ball projects, where Google would officially announce an end-of-life. For example, I strongly regretted using AWS OpsWorks after I realized the only priority for AWS seemed to be keeping it running under SLA.

If we're going to talk about "mothball without formally announcing deprecation" Microsoft is pretty awful for that too. There are so many zombie libraries and frameworks and tools in the Microsoft family, and they never have the decency to say "stop using that". Even windows.forms was default in visual studio until like 2013 or so.

> Even windows.forms was default in visual studio until like 2013 or so.

They are also bringing WinForms and WPF forward to work on .NET Core 3.0; and its still supported https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dotnet/2018/10/04/update-on...

Re: Google May Have to Get Used to Third Place in the Cloud

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Post by outworlder »

volkadav wrote: post #77
partiallypro wrote: post #6

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Explain, how it is horrible from a tech perspective? (hint: it's not) Edit: I'm getting downvoted, but no one as of yet has shown how Azure is built on horrible tech compared to its peers. It's just a flat lie, none of the big 3 are built on horrible tech. It's just being dishonest and is basically fanboyism/hatred of one party. You can argue about UI you like or don't (I prefer Azure) you can argue about APIs, their…

It's been a while (~2 years) since I last had to tangle with it, but off the top of my head: 1) Disk and network IO performance was extremely inconsistent, to the point of being unusable at times. 10kbps reads off of the msft-local mirrors of package repositories for example, making security updates a tedious pain in the ass. 2) There were two administrative consoles, "new" and "old." New had a more modern-looking UI…

I haven't checked the more 'obscure' services, but the Azure CLI is pretty decent nowadays. At least for VMs you shouldn't have to muck around with Powershell anymore.
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