Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland • Hacker News Board

Re: Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland

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Post by wlll » Thu, Oct 25, 2018, 6:43 PM UTC

Fuxy wrote: post #106

VMG wrote: post #4

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I really wish the internet would be client-side filtered by default, instead of centrally moderated. We'll end up with filter bubbles either way.

I've been telling all the snowflakes since forever "you have a block button use it!". Seriously the internet should stay true to free speech and allow any content regardless how objectionable it may be to the vocal minority pushing agendas all the time. If a person gets triggered by something they are free to block the content for themselves and live in their cosy little bubble it's their right but once they start im…

It seems you've been triggered. Perhaps as a vocal minority pushing an agenda, apparently all the time ("since forever"), who has taken offence at someone elses free speech you should just use the block button that you have.

Re: Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland

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Post by licyeus » Thu, Oct 25, 2018, 6:47 PM UTC

stu_k wrote: post #113

beaconstudios wrote: post #91

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an open source project that takes donations/patrons can also do that though.

There are very few individually maintained OSS projects that would generate enough money from donations. Henry Zhu, who maintains the massively popular Babel transpiler, only gets $2200/month in donations https://www.patreon.com/henryzhu

I agree with your main point that OSS is underfunded, but Babel also collects donations through Open Collective[1] and Henry Zhu withdraws a monthly maintenance fee (recently $8k/mo).

[1]: https://opencollective.com/babel

Re: Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland

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Post by boomboomsubban » Thu, Oct 25, 2018, 7:32 PM UTC

fivefive55 wrote: post #120

yorwba wrote: post #111

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What if it's a false positive due to overly-broad heuristics? For example, try looking at https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ads with Adblock enabled. It shows a blank page for me. (Actually I just wanted to see whether "ads" might have a different meaning in another language.)

I've been noticing this a lot more lately. Lots of websites have broken elements from my adblocker. I have to turn it off and reload the page to get those elements to load. A lot of the time they aren't even close to ads, it's like a drop down menu or button that doesn't render.

Though false positives happen, an ad can also contain the code for another part of the site. Most common is a site using some kind of Google script that could be an ad or tracking.

Re: Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland

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Post by patd » Thu, Oct 25, 2018, 7:51 PM UTC

boomboomsubban wrote: post #123

fivefive55 wrote: post #120

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I've been noticing this a lot more lately. Lots of websites have broken elements from my adblocker. I have to turn it off and reload the page to get those elements to load. A lot of the time they aren't even close to ads, it's like a drop down menu or button that doesn't render.

Though false positives happen, an ad can also contain the code for another part of the site. Most common is a site using some kind of Google script that could be an ad or tracking.

The goal of the service is not to be an anti adblock tool. It's futile and publishers I've discussed with start to realize this more and more.

The goal is to let you know if you're about to be impacted by a false positive. I've been there and it sucks as your users leave your site or contact your support team.

Re: Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland

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Post by xte » Thu, Oct 25, 2018, 7:54 PM UTC

IMVHO this is the umpteenth sign that WE MUST GO NOW for distributed or if not actually possible for decentralized tech. NOW. Sorry for the caps.

It go nice with https://lwn.net/Articles/768483/ in FOSS world we must understand actual IT evolution path and know how we work freely in the past.

So please reconsider Usenet, advertise it, enforce email instead of ANY actual "communication platform" from WhatsApp to Slack passing trough Reddit, StackExchange etc. We know that finding past information on usenet for newcomers it's not as easy as these modern platform, but we have wiki's, blog's for that. We need to act now us all, anybody who understand because tomorrow it will be too late.

Re: Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland

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Post by xte » Thu, Oct 25, 2018, 7:57 PM UTC

VMG wrote: post #4

occamrazor wrote: post #2

Adblocking list should be what their name says: lists that match ads (and advertising-related trackers). There is no place in such a list for politically motivated blacklists. Content based blacklists have their place too. Users are of course free to create hate-speech-block, union-block, trump-block, liberal-block, nazi-block or any-other-category-block, but if these lists are distributed through an adblocker they s…

I really wish the internet would be client-side filtered by default, instead of centrally moderated. We'll end up with filter bubbles either way.

Internet != web.

It's time IMVHO to start "filter out" actual web from our lives, we have usenet, we have mails, we have spamassassin, killfiles, mail aliases (at least on paid mails), we have (few) modern MUAs like Notmuch, Mutt&forks, Pine&forks, we have slrn, leafnode, ... we can keep up and evolve them.

Re: Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Oct 25, 2018, 10:26 PM UTC

yorwba wrote: post #111

boomboomsubban wrote: post #104

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Even in the rare instance you convince a list maintainer, forking a list is trivial. If your content is being blocked, stop tracking your users.

What if it's a false positive due to overly-broad heuristics? For example, try looking at https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ads with Adblock enabled. It shows a blank page for me. (Actually I just wanted to see whether "ads" might have a different meaning in another language.)

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Re: Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland

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Post by teknologist » Fri, Oct 26, 2018, 6:32 AM UTC

cirenehc wrote: post #105

teknologist wrote: post #85

I’m eagerly waiting for the Brave AI-based blocking to be rolled out. That will hopefully be a start to the end of unwieldy and hard to maintain filter lists in general. I know there are lot of good people who put time into these things, but the blacklisting techniques these extensions use seem rather outdated in 2018.

ML is not magic, it's just statistics.

Thanks for that input. Fully aware of that. Just saying that using a statistical model would be much better than huge lists of URLs.

Re: Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland

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Post by xte » Fri, Oct 26, 2018, 7:39 AM UTC

jarcane wrote: post #21

cgio wrote: post #13

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Do they have extra money to give to representatives?

Here in Finland, this does happen, yes. But the larger problem is "gray money"; everyone goes to the same business parties and sauna retreats (expenses paid of course), is friends with everyone. more recently there's the novel shortcut of the business people themselves just running for office. Our current PM has a long list of business interests, including lobbying the Modi government on behalf of a startup he co-own…

Thanks for such news, here in France and in my home country Italy, we do not here anything at all... Well I know YLE because of an ancient article about their "Nuntii Latini" news but substantially nothing else.

Apart of YLE in English (witch feel... A bit limited) did you know other finnish media in English?

Re: Adblock filter rule list modified politically in Finland

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Post by ahje » Fri, Oct 26, 2018, 9:33 AM UTC

jahaja wrote: post #88

Jolter wrote: post #52

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Correction on that: any employee in Sweden is forbidden from striking if they are currently bound by a collective bargaining agreement. This means strikes are only legally recognized as strikes in the period between the expiry of an agreement, and the signing of the next one. This is generally every three years. In other words, political strikes are effectively banned i Sweden. I'm not aware of any exception to this…

You're not bound by the CBA if you're in another union that has no CBA with the company. Sadly, there are ongoing attempts to stop this.

Ah, that's it -- I remember now. Basically you're free to go on strike unless you have agreed not to. If you do, it will simply be treated as a breach of the agreement and the other party will be able to sue for damages.

So yeah, strikes are perfectly legal.