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Re: 5G Got me Fired

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Post by ex_angry_guy »

wbl wrote: post #117
adsfqwop wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Electromagnetic hypersensitivity theory has no scientific basis and double blind studies show that the symptoms are not dependent on electromagnetic field. Of course it has scientific basis. The scientific basis is that electromagnetic fields alter biological processes, thereby it is possible to produce effects in both animals and humans. And if you deny that electromagnetic fields can alter biological processes, t…

How many Navy veterans have that sensitivity? You would think serving next to a radar some of them would.

“Typical mutations in children of radar soldiers”:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/10/181005111447.h...

Re: 5G Got me Fired

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Post by mike10010100 »

matchagaucho wrote: post #72
ghaff wrote: post #9

With respect to the actual post, the issue has come up, e.g. https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/pa8bpk/5g-wireles... (And, yeah, Marin County.) Even if it represents a minority viewpoint, 5G health concerns aren't quite crackpot theory land. That said, column seems more than a bit sensationalistic and one-sided --but not really all that different from many things that Dvorak has written over the years.

The same city that banned 5G for health reasons also leads the state in rejecting vaccines for children (anti-vaxxers). https://patch.com/california/millvalley/mill-valley-parents-...

This. People claiming that cell phone signals cause cancer or other ill health effects are crackpots, nothing more, nothing less.

The claims simply don't make sense. Non-ionizing EM radiation has absolutely no documented effects on humans.

Re: 5G Got me Fired

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Post by mike10010100 »

ex_angry_guy wrote: post #121
wbl wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many Navy veterans have that sensitivity? You would think serving next to a radar some of them would.

“Typical mutations in children of radar soldiers”: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/10/181005111447.h...

A study that was literally published this week? Wake me up when it's been peer-reviewed and replicated.

Re: 5G Got me Fired

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Post by mike10010100 »

adsfqwop wrote: post #115
nabla9 wrote: post #113

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I checked just three people from the list that they are all promoting pseudoscience. * Electromagnetic hypersensitivity theory has no scientific basis and double blind studies show that the symptoms are not dependent on electromagnetic field. * Dowsing aka divining is medieval practice with no scientific basis. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowsing > mountain of research and evidence on the effects of electromagnetic…

> Electromagnetic hypersensitivity theory has no scientific basis and double blind studies show that the symptoms are not dependent on electromagnetic field. Of course it has scientific basis. The scientific basis is that electromagnetic fields alter biological processes, thereby it is possible to produce effects in both animals and humans. And if you deny that electromagnetic fields can alter biological processes, t…

> The scientific basis is that electromagnetic fields alter biological processes

That's not a basis, that's an assumption. An assumption that must be proved though double-blind trials. An assumption that has never held water through multiple studies.

> It is a misunderstanding that people who suffer from EHS could somehow sense microwave radiation directly.

It is a misunderstanding pushed by the very people who are now making outlandish claims about the safety of RF radiation.

> What happens is that they feel the secondary effects of the disruption in their biology.

Again, that has been disproven time and time again.

Re: 5G Got me Fired

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Post by mike10010100 »

iofiiiiiiiii wrote: post #106
bArray wrote: post #29

>Addendum — the original 5G column is still up in India! Click here. Then the dreaded "403 Not allowed". Archived here: http://web.archive.org/web/20180913212959/https://in.pcmag.c...

Wow okay that article is trash with little substance. I would also not want such articles in my publications.

It really is a shitty article, with very few sources and tons of FUD.

Re: 5G Got me Fired

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Post by mike10010100 »

brandonmenc wrote: post #110
bunnycorn wrote: post #71

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In 1984 people didn't knew if they wanted or didn't want to use a mouse. Most people didn't even used PCs, much less the extremely expensive machines that had a real GUI and some software to try it out. But it's the job of a journalist, specifically a columnist, to be above the average Joe.

Dvorak is a cranky opinion columnist. He always has been. That's his schtick, and he's never tried to hide that.

So now you're excusing his behavior because it's "expected"? Maybe now is the moment we stop giving him the time of day.

Re: 5G Got me Fired

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Post by adsfqwop »

mike10010100 wrote: post #122
matchagaucho wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same city that banned 5G for health reasons also leads the state in rejecting vaccines for children (anti-vaxxers). https://patch.com/california/millvalley/mill-valley-parents-...

This. People claiming that cell phone signals cause cancer or other ill health effects are crackpots, nothing more, nothing less. The claims simply don't make sense. Non-ionizing EM radiation has absolutely no documented effects on humans.

You mean the people at the World Health Organization are crackpots? Microwave radiation is classified as a Class 2B carcinogen by WHO.

Here's 67 studies on the biological effects of microwaves, ranked by transmission power:

https://i.imgur.com/14uxRru.png

All of them crackpots?

Here's a study of EM fields on neonatal babies:

"Electrical Grounding Improves Vagal Tone in Preterm Infants"

https://www.karger.com/Article/FullText/475744

There was also an article written on this publication:

https://www.futurity.org/grounding-nicu-babies-1507412/

I guess the babies were not informed of your crackpot theory?

Here's a website with a database of 26,819 publications on the effects of electromagnetic fields on biology, including human and animal studies:

https://www.emf-portal.org/en

More crackpots, I assume?

We have constantly accumulating evidence that EM radiation in fact IS harmful. The biggest reason the public is not aware of this, is simply because the wireless industry is making too much money from this technology.

The wireless industry employ some of the biggest lobbying groups in the world. With the amount of funds and leverage available to them, it becomes easier to influence legislation and decision makers.

That's all there is to it. No conspiracy, no crackpots. It's simply business

Re: 5G Got me Fired

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Post by brandonmenc »

mike10010100 wrote: post #126
brandonmenc wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dvorak is a cranky opinion columnist. He always has been. That's his schtick, and he's never tried to hide that.

So now you're excusing his behavior because it's "expected"? Maybe now is the moment we stop giving him the time of day.

I like him and find his columns entertaining, and always have. I'm not like, picking stocks based on them.

Re: 5G Got me Fired

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Post by mike10010100 »

brandonmenc wrote: post #128
mike10010100 wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So now you're excusing his behavior because it's "expected"? Maybe now is the moment we stop giving him the time of day.

I like him and find his columns entertaining, and always have. I'm not like, picking stocks based on them.

So the fact that he's peddling basic fear mongering doesn't put you off in any way?

Re: 5G Got me Fired

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Post by mike10010100 »

adsfqwop wrote: post #127
mike10010100 wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. People claiming that cell phone signals cause cancer or other ill health effects are crackpots, nothing more, nothing less. The claims simply don't make sense. Non-ionizing EM radiation has absolutely no documented effects on humans.

You mean the people at the World Health Organization are crackpots? Microwave radiation is classified as a Class 2B carcinogen by WHO. Here's 67 studies on the biological effects of microwaves, ranked by transmission power: https://i.imgur.com/14uxRru.png All of them crackpots? Here's a study of EM fields on neonatal babies: "Electrical Grounding Improves Vagal Tone in Preterm Infants" https://www.karger.com/Article/…

What a wonderful Gish Gallop. Thanks for letting me be another in your long line of intellectually dishonest copypasta responses. Keep on pushing conspiracy theories like the "deep state"!
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