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Re: What is ActivityPub, and how will it change the internet?

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Post by _bfhp » Tue, Sep 18, 2018, 8:54 PM UTC

stcredzero wrote: post #117

tptacek wrote: post #114

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You're the only person I see talking about "violence" in this thread, which is actually about mechanically filtering unwanted comments. If there's bias here, it's not coming from me. I don't support political violence either.

Intimidating, shaming, and otherwise excluding people from the public sphere is "mechanically filtering?" I don't support political violence either. I'm glad to hear it. I wish I'd hear a lot more of that from the US political left. Have you ever experienced negative attention "just short of violence" from people who have an axe to grind, but who don't want to get in trouble from violence? I have. I've received such…

"Conflict is Not Abuse" by Sarah Schulman is supposed to be a good book.

Re: What is ActivityPub, and how will it change the internet?

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Post by dddw » Tue, Sep 18, 2018, 9:27 PM UTC

jdormit wrote: post #4

Haha, didn't expect my blog to ever get to the front page of HN and my $5/month DO droplet couldn't keep up. I resized it and now I'm putting Cloudflare in front of it, so hopefully it will stay up now.

thanks for the very conving article! I've been a facebook and twitter sceptic for some time, but didn't realise it's successors are here!

Re: What is ActivityPub, and how will it change the internet?

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Post by kareldonk369 » Tue, Sep 18, 2018, 11:47 PM UTC

drb91 wrote: post #98

kareldonk369 wrote: post #66

Federation doesn't actually solve the issue. What we need is everyone publishing from their own device. No need to join a federated server of any kind.

What does this solve?

Deplatforming for one... If everyone can publish right from their own device, there are no middle-men. And that would be true P2P.

Re: What is ActivityPub, and how will it change the internet?

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Post by pathseeker » Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 12:21 AM UTC

latexr wrote: post #57

prolikewh0a wrote: post #37

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Why do people like Wil blame Twitter for Alex Jones & Donald Trump? The only people being bothered are the people that want to be bothered. You can 1. Block people you don't want to see 2. Ignore it. Twitter is not forcing you to view pages you don't like. There are entire other extremely large groups of people that enjoy this stuff and are completely harmless.

A thought exercise: Let’s say a popular HN user with a large following (let’s call them “Dex”) starts a campaign on HN to harass you. They start posting lies all over the site, claiming you hit puppies, spit in the coffee of blond people, and talk at the theatre. Dex has rabid fans that take his word over their own research, and those users start to hate you. You start getting hate messages, and they eventually dox y…

For this analogy to work, doesn't Trump or Alex have to call out Wil directly?

Re: What is ActivityPub, and how will it change the internet?

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Post by pathseeker » Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 12:22 AM UTC

Twisol wrote: post #115

dang wrote: post #91

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Can you please keep flamewar tropes away from here? We don't want the flamewars they lead to. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Sorry, my bad. I just couldn't believe someone could be so dismissive of someone else's experience -- I wasn't sure if I was reading a genuine opinion or a parody. I guess I fell for that myself.

FWIW, it's a genuine opinion with samples right from the same blog post. Also, I recommend you read this which seems to corroborate his general disposition on social media: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18011144

Re: What is ActivityPub, and how will it change the internet?

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Post by stcredzero » Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 3:50 PM UTC

tptacek wrote: post #120

stcredzero wrote: post #117

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Intimidating, shaming, and otherwise excluding people from the public sphere is "mechanically filtering?" I don't support political violence either. I'm glad to hear it. I wish I'd hear a lot more of that from the US political left. Have you ever experienced negative attention "just short of violence" from people who have an axe to grind, but who don't want to get in trouble from violence? I have. I've received such…

First, I'm not the "US political left". Second, the thread you're commenting on is about the ability of social network operators to block people, both on Twitter and on Mastodon. You're commenting on a thread rooted in a comment suggesting that people should not, under ordinary circumstances, be allowed to block other users on a social network. The whole thread is there for you to read, and I object to you pretending…

The underlying issue is convincing vs. exercising force.

Re: What is ActivityPub, and how will it change the internet?

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Post by stcredzero » Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 3:52 PM UTC

tptacek wrote: post #119

stcredzero wrote: post #118

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I'm not interested in trying to reconstruct it from first principles. Is it because it's quite obvious from common sense, and doing so reveals the hypocrisy in politics and social media today?

What a rude way to end a discussion. I took the time to back to primary sources to inform my responses to you. You owed me better than this kind of snark.

I don't see how I'm being rude. Sources aren't a sufficient excuse to stop the conversation short of first principles.

Re: What is ActivityPub, and how will it change the internet?

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Post by NoGravitas » Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 5:47 PM UTC

bjoli wrote: post #106

canhascodez wrote: post #20

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That's probably a better term, but I kinda miss when that was known as "slashdotting" or the "Slashdot Effect".

I will never call it anything else. Now will you and any Anonymous Coward reading this get off my lawn. Or maybe install NetBSD on it.

Or petrify it and cover it with hot grits.

Re: What is ActivityPub, and how will it change the internet?

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Post by Twisol » Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 2:50 AM UTC

pathseeker wrote: post #125

Twisol wrote: post #115

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Sorry, my bad. I just couldn't believe someone could be so dismissive of someone else's experience -- I wasn't sure if I was reading a genuine opinion or a parody. I guess I fell for that myself.

FWIW, it's a genuine opinion with samples right from the same blog post. Also, I recommend you read this which seems to corroborate his general disposition on social media: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18011144

Thanks -- that was a very informative link. It sounds like an awful situation for everyone.

I genuinely didn't mean to put down your original comment. I've been badly misunderstood in the past, and have reacted poorly to those reactions, so I don't easily discard others' experiences when I see similar things. What Wil did and what he wrote in his blog post aren't wholly incompatible in my mind, and it sounds like everyone came away from this hurting.

I see that my comment, too, could easily be taken hurtfully, and I'm sorry for that. I meant only what was at the surface: I couldn't tell whether it was a parody or not. Clearly, not -- and now I understand where you were coming from. So, thank you :)

Re: What is ActivityPub, and how will it change the internet?

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Post by ChristianBundy » Fri, Sep 21, 2018, 1:58 PM UTC

Vendan wrote: post #15

ChristianBundy wrote: post #14

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Not ActivityPub, but this has been implemented in with Scuttlebutt[0] with availability polls to decide when to schedule an event, RSVP options, and it's all done completely P2P with no "instances" required to act as central servers. [0]: http://scuttlebutt.nz/

Scuttlebutt has a lot of work to do before I'll consider it as even approaching usable, mostly to do with the protocol layer. It works great for very small (<1000 member) communities, but it scales extremely poorly, and the protocols are poorly designed and cumbersome to work with.

Could you point out why you think it scales poorly? I've never heard those complaints, and my laptop benchmarks 100,000 basic messages in only a few seconds. Even so, you only replicate friends of friends, which for me is about 2500 people.

I'd appreciate your input, thanks!