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Post by sbr464 »

fipple wrote: post #94
sbr464 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m upvoting and agree in the realistic point you are making, but feel this isn’t the most popular point of view right now? I personally believe info just shouldn’t be captured period, beyond reasons for authentication protection purposes/identifying malicious/off pattern use of my login/auth token. We are releasing a new business/info mgmt product soon that has no GA/full story/user tracking whatsoever. It’s not cle…

One thing that people constantly praise Spotify for is the quality of their music recommendations. You can find so many testimonials of people saying that their "Discover Weekly" playlist suggested them songs which they felt they had been searching for their whole lives. Needless to say, such accurate recommendations of music, which even close personal friends have trouble doing, is based on building as complete of a…

I definitely agree that certain products create value from tracking, and those should be the exception, as long as everyone involved is ok with it. I don’t really use the recommendations in Spotify, but I don’t think there is a way to use the service in an anonymous/tracking free way (not that it bothers me). I don’t think maintaining a private /purchased collection should be the only alternative to full tracking.

Re: Spotify GDPR data export: user receives 250MB containing every interaction

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Post by yani »

tedeh wrote: post #2

What grand times we live in, where you can actually get this kind of data from the services that you use. Having the law say your personal data is owned by you and not some company just because it's on their server may turn out to be a landmark in consumer friendly legislation!

Do you remember how much negativity there was the few days before GDPR "doomsday". I kept saying that it is a beautiful thing but all I got ... I have requested my data from many services that I use and I learned a lot about myself by reviewing my data, searches, marketubg tags etc.

Re: Spotify GDPR data export: user receives 250MB containing every interaction

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Post by adtac »

patmcguire wrote: post #45
amarkov wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a sense in which summary views are the real data. If I asked Spotify to share my data, and they just sent me a 250 MB file of every interaction they've ever recorded, I would conclude they're trying to obfuscate which data they actually use and how they use it.

Yeah. If Netflix sends me every byte I've ever viewed, that's pretty useless.

Easiest alternative to ripping video lol. And it's legal!

Re: Spotify GDPR data export: user receives 250MB containing every interaction

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Post by adtac »

cwkoss wrote: post #79
patmcguire wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. If Netflix sends me every byte I've ever viewed, that's pretty useless.

Exhaustive list of your data (sorted, redundant copies not included): 0x00 0x01 0x02 0x03 ... 0xFE 0xFF

I think just 0 and 1 would suffice ;)

Re: Spotify GDPR data export: user receives 250MB containing every interaction

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Post by tomtimtall »

tensor wrote: post #34
tedeh wrote: post #2

What grand times we live in, where you can actually get this kind of data from the services that you use. Having the law say your personal data is owned by you and not some company just because it's on their server may turn out to be a landmark in consumer friendly legislation!

Frankly, I think a lot of this data isn't the users, but rather Spotify's. If Spotify didn't exist then the interaction data with it wouldn't exist. I don't see how it can possibly be "owned" only by the user here. Does a user "own" security footage in a store that they enter? Definitely not.

Your income wouldn’t exist without the existance of your parents. This does not mean they own your income. You are arguing based on a contrived and unuseful philosophical basis. Who owns the data is a matter of law not philosophy, and having laws like GDPR looks like a great way to empower consumers, so who cares if the data would not be there without Spotify? It would not be there without the consumer either, in fact Spotify itself would not be there without the consumers... should the consumers then “logically” own Spotify?

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Post by crtasm »

bhauer wrote: post #62

Remember all of the data Winamp2 used to gather and send to third-party servers?

Did it send anything? I don't know which way to interpret your question.

I imagine some info was sent if you played those shoutcast(?) video streams listed in the media library, lots of cartoon channels from what I remember.

Re: Spotify GDPR data export: user receives 250MB containing every interaction

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Post by bhauer »

crtasm wrote: post #126
bhauer wrote: post #62

Remember all of the data Winamp2 used to gather and send to third-party servers?

Did it send anything? I don't know which way to interpret your question. I imagine some info was sent if you played those shoutcast(?) video streams listed in the media library, lots of cartoon channels from what I remember.

Sorry, just a bit of silly sarcasm. It wasn't a data exfiltration and user surveillance system like modern music players.

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Post by mhh__ »

_r_o_y_ wrote: post #52
detaro wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So all the other phone manufacturers selling IP68 phones with headphone jacks are lying?

I had a Xperia Z5 and every time water touched the headphone jack the phone would go crazy thinking that I was plugging and unplugging something repeatedly.

On the assumption that the phone itself is fine, that could be fixed in software.

Re: Spotify GDPR data export: user receives 250MB containing every interaction

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Post by MR4D »

tensor wrote: post #34
tedeh wrote: post #2

What grand times we live in, where you can actually get this kind of data from the services that you use. Having the law say your personal data is owned by you and not some company just because it's on their server may turn out to be a landmark in consumer friendly legislation!

Frankly, I think a lot of this data isn't the users, but rather Spotify's. If Spotify didn't exist then the interaction data with it wouldn't exist. I don't see how it can possibly be "owned" only by the user here. Does a user "own" security footage in a store that they enter? Definitely not.

Damn - you bring up a good point. I wonder what a lawyer would say.

Taking your thought one more step, what happens to the data the store creates thru a facial recognition system tied to the footage? Is that covered? I don’t know, but there are thousands of further permutations on his thought. Another reason I hate the GDPR (great intent, horrible execution).

Re: Spotify GDPR data export: user receives 250MB containing every interaction

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Post by xg15 »

tensor wrote: post #34
tedeh wrote: post #2

What grand times we live in, where you can actually get this kind of data from the services that you use. Having the law say your personal data is owned by you and not some company just because it's on their server may turn out to be a landmark in consumer friendly legislation!

Frankly, I think a lot of this data isn't the users, but rather Spotify's. If Spotify didn't exist then the interaction data with it wouldn't exist. I don't see how it can possibly be "owned" only by the user here. Does a user "own" security footage in a store that they enter? Definitely not.

> Does a user "own" security footage in a store that they enter? Definitely not.

I recently visited the main station in Cologne, Germany. They literally had notices posted next to the time tables about CCTV being conducted and about your GDPR rights concerning CCTV footage taken from you.

While this wasn't a straight "you own the footage", they did acknowledge you have certain rights regarding the footage.

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