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PeerTube, the “Decentralized YouTube”, succeeds in crowdfunding

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Post by deckar01 »

empath75 wrote: post #109

So how does this not end up being all porn and nazis?

There is a "Self-managed moderation" section at the end of this article.

If you host your own instance, you can serve that kind of content. Since instance discovery is also decentralized, you can only subject your content to users who you convince to visit your instance in the first place.

If you are trying to expose the masses to perverse/extremist content and you don't have your own popular instance, you are limited by the moderation of the instance you are trying to publish to.

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Post by willio58 »

Endy wrote: post #48
willio58 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Podcasts are, for the most part, decentralized and seem to be still booming in popularity. I don’t see why a decentralized video platform couldn’t work too.

Really? I don't agree here. I've never seen any that weren't being pushed to one of the major podcast apps - and thusly centralized. I mean, the whole term comes from the fact that it was originally downloadable to your iPod through iTunes. None of the podcasts I've ever found could really be considered decentralized - they might have a webpage somewhere, sure, but if they're not in Apple's iTunes/Podcast app, I'm no…

iTunes essentially acts as a public database for podcast feed links. You can use their–admittedly inflexible–API to populate a list of podcasts in an app or website you create. Or you can use a number of other public feed lists.

If iTunes suddenly stopped supporting podcasts (which they won't), then another popular public database will materialize.

The real debate here is what does centralization mean in the realm of content distribution? I mean people will always gravitate toward popular platforms that offer nice features like commenting, profiles, rating, etc. but that information is all secondary to the podcast protocol. If a single server hosting a single podcast's files goes down, the whole system does not stop working. Is that not decentralization?

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Post by dwild »

usaphp wrote: post #118

So I have a friend who has a pretty popular YouTube channel and one of the things he complains about is that some users are stealing and them uploading his videos in bulk and moneytise them. The benefit of having a central authority is that you can at least complain about your stolen copyright, with a decentralized network it will seem like a very difficult task since there is no regulation, unless I am missing somet…

> uploading his videos in bulk and moneytise them

As far as I know, there's no plan to monetize videos over PeerTube, that pretty much remove that possibility then.

> that you can at least complain about your stolen copyright

Torrent exist, PeerTube won't create much more possibility to stole content. Considering it's free content too, there's not much incentive to get it anywhere else than it's original source.

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Post by dragontamer »

dane-pgp wrote: post #120
albertgoeswoof wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no reason you can't build in monetization to peertube, and let the peertube host choose to enable it or not.

A monetization style I'd like to see more of is one where the videos are uploaded, but only a thumbnail or a clip is available by default, until a certain donation goal is reached, at which point the video becomes free for everyone to view, indefinitely. This looks game theoretically like it will produce a Tragedy of the Commons outcome, but there are plenty of streamers out there who rely on tips while allowing the…

Patreon seems like a good fit honestly.

Imagine if Patreon supported the PeerTube protocol. There would be an ActivityPub publication in two steps: once for the backers, and a 2nd time (time-delayed) for everyone else.

Only Patreon would be able to offer that kind of integration however. Hmmm... I think I might have to browse Patreon's Web API to see if a 3rd party could extend things actually... https://docs.patreon.com/#introduction

Hmmm... a 3rd party workflow along the lines of OAuth (log into Patreon to see my video) -> Share the cookie with a custom PeerTube server -> serve video-based rewards based on OAuth / Patreon database. It seems theoretically possible.

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Post by toyg »

bunderbunder wrote: post #67
willio58 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Podcasts are, for the most part, decentralized and seem to be still booming in popularity. I don’t see why a decentralized video platform couldn’t work too.

But podcast creators all give off frequent signals that they wish podcasting were centralized. Specifically, I'm thinking of how they all ask you to leave a rating on some centralized podcast aggregation service, usually iTunes. Many also specifically ask that you subscribe through iTunes. That's because rankings and ratings on iTunes are as essential to their monetization strategy as Nielsen ratings were to over-the…

Surely there is a Nielsen-like system to measure popularity, through direct downloads and aggregator data...? Leaving it to Apple is doomed to fail (see also: Apple AppStore).

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Post by deckar01 »

dwild wrote: post #123
usaphp wrote: post #118

So I have a friend who has a pretty popular YouTube channel and one of the things he complains about is that some users are stealing and them uploading his videos in bulk and moneytise them. The benefit of having a central authority is that you can at least complain about your stolen copyright, with a decentralized network it will seem like a very difficult task since there is no regulation, unless I am missing somet…

> uploading his videos in bulk and moneytise them As far as I know, there's no plan to monetize videos over PeerTube, that pretty much remove that possibility then. > that you can at least complain about your stolen copyright Torrent exist, PeerTube won't create much more possibility to stole content. Considering it's free content too, there's not much incentive to get it anywhere else than it's original source.

> a simple “support” button allows videographers to direct their viewers to Tipee, Patreon, Paypal and other donation tools. But in the future, Framasoft hopes that ” people will be able to code their own monetization system “.

This article suggests that it already does have monetization support.

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Post by posting2fast »

jasode wrote: post #110
tathougies wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The claim you make (that the speed of light) is the main limiting factor is incredibly undersubstantiated. Firstly, it is incredibly likely that the same query within you tube is handled by as many computers as it would have been in your DHT. The difference between youtube and your DHT is that youtube doesn't need to do constant connection re-establishment. In a DHT -- especially one used for short-lived queries such…

>same query within you tube is handled by as many computers as it would have been in your DHT. For the poster I responded to, and the topic of this thread (Peertube), decentralized means WAN (wide area network) and not LAN (local area network). (I noticed you substituted "decentralized" with "distributed" which muddies up the discussion. The poster asking the question and my response used "decentralized" .) >because…

> It's technically impossible to invent a protocol that can query thousands of home-based nodes to return a result that's as fast as a centralized system such as Youtube.

Yeah, but it's possible to crawl and cache all metadata, everything except the actual video and audio, centrally, and search it from there. Sure, that means you can't find a video 5 seconds after it was uploaded, but for practical purposes, it's not hard to imagine a bunch of solutions that would be good enough, especially considering search isn't that great on YT to begin with.

Why can't I search among subscribed channels and filter and order by 20 criteria? Because search on YouTube isn't that good, it's not even trying to be, just like on Facebook for example. Being quick at doing something crummy is still kinda crummy.

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Post by jordigh »

themagician wrote: post #2

What the people who want decentralized services don't realize is that the content creators want centralized services (whether they realize it or not). In the old days we needed YouTube because you needed a Flash encoder if you wanted to make video accessible on the web to everyone. Now anyone can host video on anything. You can throw even throw some comments on the bottom if you want. But what those who create want i…

It's really grinding when the top comments of any sort of alternative thing to come out are always so negative. Long list of reasons why this will never work out.

It's easy to be negative. It's more difficult but more fun to be inventive and industrious.

To the peertube devs: don't let negative comments like this grind you down. Peertube has some great ideas and I think it can succeed.

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Post by deckar01 »

tCfD wrote: post #8

'decentralisation' should not be a design goal, or at least should not be advertised as one, because it is fundamentally unsustainable. It is best understood as a transitional phase between centralized regimes, not an end in and of itself.

Peering video content with a web seed fallback is actually a very sustainable and scalable solution. Content availability scales automatically with its popularity without increasing the cost to the host by using the upload bandwidth of users (which they generally have a surplus of).
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